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Ok, I get it...some people like them...some people don't.
Some people think that they help and others think that they are harmful.

Fair enough. We can talk about the science and who to trust and all of that, really...ok...I get it.

Here's the part I don't get...

Mormons who post things on my social media pages talking about how we shouldn't trust a little piece of material to keep us safe all while extolling the uncountable blessings of garments. Does anyone else see the conflict here?

-lost

Apparently, not the people who need to see the irony.

Fortunately, all involved in the operating rooms at LDS Hospital and Intermountain Medical Center will still use masks. It might become an optional thing for Utah hospitals south of the Salt Lake County line.

Did somebody say grrrrr arghh garments? 🥵

I guess if masks were tied to spiritual salvation you’d see all the worthy Mormons wearing them.

Indeed it’s ironic.

I attended church with the wife last week out of pity. Her sister was singing a song with her so I went for the moral support.

The whole ward showed up with a mask on. But half the ward took them off when the meeting started.

Glad they don’t follow that practice with their garments!

Actually that would be hilarious.

Mormons walking around in their garments at church. Ha ha ha. Thanks Lost for that mental image. 🤩🤩🤩🤩

I've been wearing mask on construction jobs since I was 13, I'm in my mid 40s now. So wearing a mask isn't a big deal for me. I know mask work, try applying epoxy to a concrete floor without a p100 mask, or go under a house with fiberglass insulation without a dust mask, you'll never question if the proper mask is working ever again. The biggest problem we're having is people dont realize a bandana or neck gaiter really aren't that affective compared to a n95. So they ignore distancing and still get right up beside other people, or walk behind them at a store. I love my freedom and I'll be one of the first to fight for it if I think someone is trying to take it away from me, but wearing a mask isn't about your freedom, it's about your safety and your loved ones safety. Some people will never understand that.

The dichotomy is quite interesting isn't it?

For those of you who don't live in the Morridor, below is a photo of a Provo, UT city council meeting/mask-protest in July of 2020:
I personally wondered at the time how many of these folks protested when their school-aged children got sent home because they needed to cover their shoulders, but were up in arms about covering their face for quite limited amounts of time.

(And of course, as mentioned, I don't see any protests about the "required" undergarment/polygamy-pantaloons that the majority of the folks in that photo are likely wearing.)

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:19 am

The whole ward showed up with a mask on. But half the ward took them off when the meeting started.

Glad they don’t follow that practice with their garments!

Actually that would be hilarious.

OK, Red, we know exactly what you are hoping to happen in church:

Some author who should never be allowed close to writing a real script wrote:<prelude music ends and the bishop comes to the podium>

Bishop: Good morning, brothers and sisters, I am Bishop Young and I am presiding today over the Blandville First Ward sacrament meeting. Our opening hymn will be "Put Your Porn Shoulders to the Wheel" after which Sister Smith will give the opening invocation. You many now proceed to remove your garments along with your masks.

<funky porn bass line starts playing>

That's the kind of change you are awaiting before you get back into regular attendance.

I saw a believing member post a while back that they refuse to wear masks because they are too hot and uncomfortable and provide no health benefit.

The first thing I thought of was how awful I felt wearing those awful garments as a member in the summer - wearing a second layer of clothes in July was the worst feeling, and they provide no health benefit either.

So yeah, the irony was absolutely not lost on me.

Why is it always science vs. religion.

I've always liked the doctrine "God helps those who help themselves" rather than the "God helps those who pay tithing, keep themselves indoctrinated, and pray". From the lack of observable interference I'd say the teaching technique down here is "sink or swim". One cult leads to another, separation of church and state? So many following political prophets in line with religious ones now.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:37 pm

they provide no health benefit either.

but.... but.... there was that one legend about the fire victim who had no scorch marks where their garments were! I know for most it makes people warm, lethargic, and easy to hypnotize - but look at that one outlier, that is what it is all about, protection from fires!

This really is how hypnosis starts - with a comfortable chair, monotone voice, and warm undies on....
"Now just relax. Settle back in your chair. Take a deep breath. Relax your arms. Relax your legs. Relax your nerves.
"You are getting very, very sleepy...your eyelids are getting heavy..."

no coffee - warm undies, now listen to the monotone voice....

and so the trance begins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis
Etymology
The words hypnosis and hypnotism both derive from the term neuro-hypnotism (nervous sleep), all of which were coined by Étienne Félix d'Henin de Cuvillers in the 1820s. The term hypnosis is derived from the ancient Greek ὑπνος hypnos, "sleep", and the suffix -ωσις -osis, or from ὑπνόω hypnoō, "put to sleep" (stem of aorist hypnōs-) and the suffix -is.[19][20]

Texas has lifted all mask requirements and will open businesses to 100% capacity, eliminating social distancing requirements. General Motors, Toyota Motor, Target Corp, and Macy's Inc will still require its employees in
Texas to wear masks. Mississippi immediately joined Texas. Iowa, Mississippi, Montana, and North Dakota previously had removed mask requirements.

No irony at all. See, both are obeying their cult leaders. One cult leader says garments protect you. The other cult leader says masks don’t protect you. The only problem is that they are trying to serve two masters by following two different cult leaders. Now the irony would be if Cult leader Nelson said wear masks because they protect you and the Mormons rejected them. No irony about cult members following both a religious cult leader and a politically religious cult leader.

So with all the protests against the masks, Utah rather sucks with getting vaccines in people's arms.

According to John Hobkins University's tracker, as of 3-3-21, Utah, ranks #42 out of 50 states for full vaccination. A meer 2.84% of the population had had the complete round of shots. Considering the national average is 8.23% and the highest state is New Mexico* with 12.17%, Utah is bringing down the national numbers.

To be fare, JHU does say that reporting on vaccines is not nearly as good as Covid testing, but this info is about the best we have at the moment.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/us-states

*West Virginia ranks #2 at 11.83%

Just This Guy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:31 pm

So with all the protests against the masks, Utah rather sucks with getting vaccines in people's arms.

According to John Hobkins University's tracker, as of 3-3-21, Utah, ranks #42 out of 50 states for full vaccination. A meer 2.84% of the population had had the complete round of shots. Considering the national average is 8.23% and the highest state is New Mexico* with 12.17%, Utah is bringing down the national numbers.

To be fare, JHU does say that reporting on vaccines is not nearly as good as Covid testing, but this info is about the best we have at the moment.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/us-states

*West Virginia ranks #2 at 11.83%

I wonder if this correlates to Utah having the lowest average age of population in the US and the requirement to be over 65 to get the shot. If that’s the case, I can see why the numbers would be what there are in the comparison. Utah has a huge population that can’t even get the shot yet, not as many eligible older residents as the other states being compared. Anyone know if that’s the case?

wtfluff wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:20 pm

The dichotomy is quite interesting isn't it?

For those of you who don't live in the Morridor, below is a photo of a Provo, UT city council meeting/mask-protest in July of 2020:

ProvoMasks.jpg

I personally wondered at the time how many of these folks protested when their school-aged children got sent home because they needed to cover their shoulders, but were up in arms about covering their face for quite limited amounts of time.

(And of course, as mentioned, I don't see any protests about the "required" undergarment/polygamy-pantaloons that the majority of the folks in that photo are likely wearing.)

I’m unsure if this picture is real. I don’t see any Trump signs....

Ho Lee Turtle wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:28 pm

Just This Guy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:31 pm

So with all the protests against the masks, Utah rather sucks with getting vaccines in people's arms.

According to John Hobkins University's tracker, as of 3-3-21, Utah, ranks #42 out of 50 states for full vaccination. A meer 2.84% of the population had had the complete round of shots. Considering the national average is 8.23% and the highest state is New Mexico* with 12.17%, Utah is bringing down the national numbers.

To be fare, JHU does say that reporting on vaccines is not nearly as good as Covid testing, but this info is about the best we have at the moment.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/us-states

*West Virginia ranks #2 at 11.83%

I wonder if this correlates to Utah having the lowest average age of population in the US and the requirement to be over 65 to get the shot. If that’s the case, I can see why the numbers would be what there are in the comparison. Utah has a huge population that can’t even get the shot yet, not as many eligible older residents as the other states being compared. Anyone know if that’s the case?

Utah Health Department claims to be distributing the vaccines as they are received. They don't seem to be "sitting" on extra doses. Unknown if the age demographic has anything to do with the number of vaccines the state is receiving.

wtfluff wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:10 am

Ho Lee Turtle wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:28 pm

Just This Guy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:31 pm

So with all the protests against the masks, Utah rather sucks with getting vaccines in people's arms.

According to John Hobkins University's tracker, as of 3-3-21, Utah, ranks #42 out of 50 states for full vaccination. A meer 2.84% of the population had had the complete round of shots. Considering the national average is 8.23% and the highest state is New Mexico* with 12.17%, Utah is bringing down the national numbers.

To be fare, JHU does say that reporting on vaccines is not nearly as good as Covid testing, but this info is about the best we have at the moment.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/us-states

*West Virginia ranks #2 at 11.83%

I wonder if this correlates to Utah having the lowest average age of population in the US and the requirement to be over 65 to get the shot. If that’s the case, I can see why the numbers would be what there are in the comparison. Utah has a huge population that can’t even get the shot yet, not as many eligible older residents as the other states being compared. Anyone know if that’s the case?

Utah Health Department claims to be distributing the vaccines as they are received. They don't seem to be "sitting" on extra doses. Unknown if the age demographic has anything to do with the number of vaccines the state is receiving.

Vaccines.jpg

Vaccines are passed out to states by population——-from a 10 year old census. This means that the fastest growing states are getting less per their population. Utah has not only one of the highest birth rates, but it also has one of the highest rates for people moving in. This means the population has grow in per portion to those states with people moving out. We are really seeing this in Washington county with the thousands of retired baby boomers and no where near the amount of vaccine needed. We were very aggressive about finding appointments for the vaccine, yet relatives in other states say there are plenty of appointments for those eligible and they got their vaccines weeks ago and my over 70 husband still cannot get in for his second shot.

alas wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:30 am

Vaccines are passed out to states by population——-from a 10 year old census. This means that the fastest growing states are getting less per their population. Utah has not only one of the highest birth rates, but it also has one of the highest rates for people moving in. This means the population has grow in per portion to those states with people moving out. We are really seeing this in Washington county with the thousands of retired baby boomers and no where near the amount of vaccine needed. We were very aggressive about finding appointments for the vaccine, yet relatives in other states say there are plenty of appointments for those eligible and they got their vaccines weeks ago and my over 70 husband still cannot get in for his second shot.

Not near Washington County, but my In-Laws gave up trying to get an appointment in their county of residence and drove south to another county to get their first shots. I'm not sure when they are due for shot #2.

Relatives in Sanpete county had no issue with appointment for shot #1.

Not that any of this helps with your hubby, since he has to return to the same county where he received #1, correct?

2bizE wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:01 pm

I’m unsure if this picture is real. I don’t see any Trump signs....

Personally... I need to do some enlarging and searching in that photo to see if I recognize any relatives.

wtfluff wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:41 am

alas wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:30 am

Vaccines are passed out to states by population——-from a 10 year old census. This means that the fastest growing states are getting less per their population. Utah has not only one of the highest birth rates, but it also has one of the highest rates for people moving in. This means the population has grow in per portion to those states with people moving out. We are really seeing this in Washington county with the thousands of retired baby boomers and no where near the amount of vaccine needed. We were very aggressive about finding appointments for the vaccine, yet relatives in other states say there are plenty of appointments for those eligible and they got their vaccines weeks ago and my over 70 husband still cannot get in for his second shot.

Not near Washington County, but my In-Laws gave up trying to get an appointment in their county of residence and drove south to another county to get their first shots. I'm not sure when they are due for shot #2.

Relatives in Sanpete county had no issue with appointment for shot #1.

Not that any of this helps with your hubby, since he has to return to the same county where he received #1, correct?

The fastest growing counties are of course the hardest hit by this 10 year old data problem, and Washington county is probably *the* fastest growing. But, yes, he has to get his second in the same county. We considered running up to Idaho where we are legal residents, rather than winter residents, but since we are in different categories, 4 trips. I heard in Idaho getting in is easy.