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In an earthshaking turn of events. FAIR changes their name - to FAIR.

"Finally, we are proud to announce our new name! (Drum roll please!) Our NEW name moving forward will be FAIR. Yes, that sounds a lot like our old name, which was FAIR, but this new name is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! The old name was an acronym for the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research. The new FAIR name stands for, "Faithful Answers, Informed Response." The term "apologetics" does not appear in our new name FAIR. (Whew!) We want to provide faithful answers to people, and be able to give an informed response. The URL we will be using for our Website will be www.fairlatterdaysaints.org."

I would have suggested something more appropriate to some of their latest efforts, like maybe Kwaku's Kuestion Kwushers.

FAIR= FAirly Inaccurate Resources.

So... These "Faithful" folks spent more than two years giving Satan™ Major Victories before they could figure out how to fall in
line with CEO Re-Brand?

The humorous item is that the previous name was FAIR. They added the name FAIRMormon when they thought it would bring more donations. Further light and knowledge entering the world via President Nelson, and it was revealed that Mormon was a devil word. Given the nature of their latest Kwaku video productions, the name FAIRMisinformation seems more appropriate.

Faithful Answers tells me all I need to know.

FAIR taking a page out of the Joseph Smith book:

'Polygamy is awful, but plural marriage is awesome!'

FAIR today: 'Apologetics is awful, but faithful answers is amazing!'

One can give "faithful" answers for anything whether it's good or bad.

It is quite another thing to give fully "HONEST" answers.

I'll take honest over faithful any day of the week. This also tells me that Fair and the church didn't really think this through. As I recall in the old discussions I had when I first entered the mission field, the church made a point of telling the investigator that faith in something that wasn't true was either misplaced or not true faith at all. It didn't matter how strongly you believed in it if it wasn't true, it did you no good. I guess LDS leadership and apologists have short memories.

Proud to announce the new name? I thought the new name was supposed to be kept secret. Sorry, temple joke. That was the first thing I thought of.

Palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:53 am

One can give "faithful" answers for anything whether it's good or bad.

It is quite another thing to give fully "HONEST" answers.

I'll take honest over faithful any day of the week. This also tells me that Fair and the church didn't really think this through. As I recall in the old discussions I had when I first entered the mission field, the church made a point of telling the investigator that faith in something that wasn't true was either misplaced or not true faith at all. It didn't matter how strongly you believed in it if it wasn't true, it did you no good. I guess LDS leadership and apologists have short memories.

Very much this. I just want HONESTY. GBH once said "...I believe it to be the very essence of the gospel." And yet, honesty is totally lacking from any real discussion of church history. How can the church be what it claims when it does so much to obfuscate and distort in the name of "faithful" discussion?

The Faithful Origins and Ontology League is unaffected by Nelson's recent condemnation of the name M**mon, and so will retain its name.

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 am

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

That’s hilarious. Like really funny.

Hagoth wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:54 pm

I would have suggested something more appropriate to some of their latest efforts, like maybe Kwaku's Kuestion Kwushers.

*raises arm to the square*

I support and sustain this name change.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 am

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

Yep, according to the Trib article (https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/03 ... dopts-new/), this is a kinder and gentler FAIR:

When the new FAIR provides “faithful answers” and an “informed response,” Gordon adds, it wants to do so in a Christlike manner.

That means “avoiding personal attacks or derogatory language” against critics, he says. “This does not mean we won’t point out faulty reasoning and misleading claims, or boldly defend our doctrine. ... We are not stepping away from fact-checking, or defending the church. Indeed, we embrace it fully. We just want to do it in the way that we believe the Savior would approve.”

FAIR drew some flak recently for enlisting a handful of Brigham Young University actors and writers to produce satirical videos that targeted the writings of a particular church detractor. Some saw the snarky, mocking tone as out of place; others viewed the videos as a novel, humorous way to reach younger Latter-day Saints.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 am

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

It's a testament to the innocence and single-minded devotion to the LDS version of modesty that their name managed to get pushed so heavily while not comprehending this level of Freudian irony. I found at least one place where they responded with some indignation to critics noticing the acronym. But it's FAIR that is trying to operate an apologetics channel with a "Daily Show" and "Colbert Report" format and attitude.

In my apostate opinion, they should have assiduously ignore the criticism and let the scandal be an avenue to reach the youth. Now their content is back to the boring, soft focus, hymnal music format that Boyd Packer would approve. The religious excitement of first century Christianity and 19th century Mormonism came from edgy ideas that upset the establishment. FAIR has now abandoned that strategy to the exclusive use of miscreants like us.

Imagine if someone were to take the CES Letter and turn it into a series of snappy, upbeat, and funny videos. Satirical memes already drive the ex-believer community. The LDS church is doing almost nothing to make themselves stand out and attract people.

Corsair wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:06 am

Imagine if someone were to take the CES Letter and turn it into a series of snappy, upbeat, and funny videos. Satirical memes already drive the ex-believer community. The LDS church is doing almost nothing to make themselves stand out and attract people.

I really wish Brother Jake was still doing the videos, because that style on TikTok would be absolutely brutal for the apologetic claims and videos that are released by FAIR and the likes.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:43 am

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 am

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

That’s hilarious. Like really funny.

I’m already missing TITS.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:08 am

I really wish Brother Jake was still doing the videos, because that style on TikTok would be absolutely brutal for the apologetic claims and videos that are released by FAIR and the likes.

Totally off track, but did you see that Jake was on the latest Infants on Thrones episode? Nice to hear him.

Hagoth wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:35 pm

Totally off track, but did you see that Jake was on the latest Infants on Thrones episode? Nice to hear him.

I had no idea - I am going to download this for work on Friday. I really miss him on the IoT podcasts - his work was great and for some reason I resonated with his reactions to the essays and whatnot.

jfro18 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 am

They also removed the Kwaku TITS videos too... which is odd because I remember them saying how great they were for youth outreach.

Especially that snuff film where FAIR had John Dehlin and Jerremy Runnels brutally murdered for the glory of the Church. Some would call that obscene, but FAIR was banking on it being click-bait for the young Saints. Glad The Brethren disagreed and requested that FAIR cease this aberrant behavior and give Kwaku productions the boot.