NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by nibbler » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am

More equating god with the church. Leaders seem incapable of drawing a line of distinction between the two.
We see things not as they are, but as we are ourselves. - H.M. Tomlinson

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by MoPag » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am

Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:41 am
Way to screw up our very first perfect positive NOMference session. -10 just for that.
Seriously!! Way to kill the mood Rusty!
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believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by Mormorrisey » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am

Well, that confirmed my theory that old white guys screw up everything.
"And I don't need you...or, your homespun philosophies."
"And when you try to break my spirit, it won't work, because there's nothing left to break."

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by blazerb » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:45 am

MoPag wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am
Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:41 am
Way to screw up our very first perfect positive NOMference session. -10 just for that.
Seriously!! Way to kill the mood Rusty!
It is obvious that he is a manager, not a prophet. His doubt-shaming is awful.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by alas » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:46 am

Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am
Well, that confirmed my theory that old white guys screw up everything.
Only *those* old white guys. My personal old white guy agrees with you that Rusty spoiled the mood.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by Cnsl1 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:46 am

I realize I have a negative bias toward that old pretentious dick, but I'm always hopeful I'll be able to see the humble kind prophet so many others see. I'm hopeful his messages will be positive overall, but I'm continually disappointed.

If you are watching later, watch the Korean kids singing, then Sister Aburto's talk and call it a nice Easter morning.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by MoPag » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:48 am

Lunch time and nap time! See you in 2hrs!
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believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by Mormorrisey » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:49 am

alas wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:46 am
Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am
Well, that confirmed my theory that old white guys screw up everything.
Only *those* old white guys. My personal old white guy agrees with you that Rusty spoiled the mood.
Yeah as an old white guy myself I should say present company excluded.
"And I don't need you...or, your homespun philosophies."
"And when you try to break my spirit, it won't work, because there's nothing left to break."

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by nibbler » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:04 am

alas wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:37 am
-10 for saying to stop rehearsing your doubts with other who have doubts. I refuse to go back to feeling like I am crazy because I am the only one who feels this way.
Luna Lovegood: Well if I were You-Know-Who, I'd want you to feel cut off from everyone else; because if it's just you alone, you're not as much of a threat.
We see things not as they are, but as we are ourselves. - H.M. Tomlinson

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by AdmiralHoldo » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:41 am

I was picking up a kid from the airport, so I missed this session (darn). I'll give it a try later, with the exception of Rusty. Sounds like his talk is a good time to implement my cardinal rule: I don't take advice on faith transition from someone who hasn't experienced one.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by slk » Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:01 pm

Last chance here....think I might give the afternoon session a try. From scanning through this, doesn't sound like anyone mentioned old Joe. What about tithing and temple worthiness? I mean you can't sit in church for more than an hour without mention of these topics so surely should be a highlight in conference?

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by Reuben » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:23 pm

blazerb wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:45 am
MoPag wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am
Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:41 am
Way to screw up our very first perfect positive NOMference session. -10 just for that.
Seriously!! Way to kill the mood Rusty!
It is obvious that he is a manager, not a prophet. His doubt-shaming is awful.
I think it functions more like pre-shaming. The talk isn't directed at us. We're just collateral damage.

He's not saying these things because they're true, he's saying them because they work. Think of what that'll mean about you if you start doubting, says the little voice in believers' heads that internalizes judgments. That would mean you're lazy or sinful. And worse, everyone else would know it.

So to avoid shame, they don't. Most of them, anyway. The minority become members that Rusty doesn't give a flying f*ck about.

He could know better, but he has powerful incentives not to.

At this point, I'm more worried about my kids internalizing this controlling bullshit than anything else.
Learn to doubt the stories you tell about yourselves and your adversaries.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by blazerb » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:08 pm

Reuben wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:23 pm
I think it functions more like pre-shaming. The talk isn't directed at us. We're just collateral damage.

He's not saying these things because they're true, he's saying them because they work. Think of what that'll mean about you if you start doubting, says the little voice in believers' heads that internalizes judgments. That would mean you're lazy or sinful. And worse, everyone else would know it.

So to avoid shame, they don't. Most of them, anyway. The minority become members that Rusty doesn't give a flying f*ck about.

He could know better, but he has powerful incentives not to.

At this point, I'm more worried about my kids internalizing this controlling bullshit than anything else.
I agree. None of us are the intended audience for this. I'm not sure that the majority aren't doubting. Certainly the majority don't even attend. Most of those who attend aren't totally invested. I figure you need about a million tithe-paying members in developed countries to keep the coffers full. That's who he wants.

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by moksha » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:44 pm

MoPag wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:28 am
Best Easter talk ever! Sweet, honest and hopeful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glKPnRSXTkY at 1:25
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by moksha » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:57 pm

alas wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:09 am
Wong sounds like the priest in Princess Bride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3odMTPuzLwY
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by moksha » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:10 am

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Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
-- Moksha

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Re: NOMference Sunday Morning SP 2021

Post by hmb » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:38 am

MoPag wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:07 am
Wong
I didn't watch one second of conference this time. While reading through the commentary, when I came across this, my first thought was Elmer Fudd saying, "Wong!/wrong." :lol: .

Can't wait to hear all the gushy comments about how great conference was, on Facebook :roll: .

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