Fight The New Drug

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Hagoth » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:00 am

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Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:59 pm
It's like the prince or the Mormon husband who rescues the young bride and is responsible for pulling her though the veil at the end. It's like a temple story. Mormon women will relate to it, although it's a boring, badly written story. - Wndr.
The author is Mormon, right? Do the vampires have to give 10% of the blood they drink to the Coven? Or do Twilight vampires even drink blood? Some kind of vampiric Vord of Visdom? I watched the first movie to see what all of the hubub was about and was astounded at how lackluster it was (for someone who isn't a teenage girl or middle-aged woman anyway). The only thing I remember is that the reason vampires can't go out in sunlight is so people won't see how beautiful and sparkly they are. I'll take Vlad the Impaler any day, thank you.
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Wonderment » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:23 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:00 am
Wonderment wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:59 pm
It's like the prince or the Mormon husband who rescues the young bride and is responsible for pulling her though the veil at the end. It's like a temple story. Mormon women will relate to it, although it's a boring, badly written story. - Wndr.
The author is Mormon, right? Do the vampires have to give 10% of the blood they drink to the Coven? Or do Twilight vampires even drink blood? Some kind of vampiric Vord of Visdom? I watched the first movie to see what all of the hubub was about and was astounded at how lackluster it was (for someone who isn't a teenage girl or middle-aged woman anyway). The only thing I remember is that the reason vampires can't go out in sunlight is so people won't see how beautiful and sparkly they are. I'll take Vlad the Impaler any day, thank you.
LOL ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hagoth -- It was the most Mormony thing I have ever read, outside of the Ensign, or maybe an opinion column in the Deseret News. It was also at least 500 pages too long, full of completely irrelevant conversation and descriptions, in order to sell more books. It should have been titled, "Bella finds a husband to take her to date night at the temple."
This is why TBM women adore this story. It is a chaste romance, whereupon Edward does not touch Bella before marriage. They only look meaningfully into each others' eyes. Then he marries her when she turns 18, he takes her out of her mundane world, and into his world. She immediately becomes pregnant and births a vampire child. She has: only a rudimentary education, no skills, no ability to do any kind of job, paid or unpaid, no interest in learning anything new or going out into the world, no interest in having a career, no interest in creativity, no goals, no objectives, except to raise children and keep the house clean. She is the consummate Mormon happy housewife. He world is very narrow and she has no ability to think for herself. But she is successful, because she finds a husband. And that is what attracted so many Mormon women to a very boring, mundane story. She does as she is told, she submits to the patriarchy, and she finds a man, gets married, and births a child at 18, with many more children to come along. Mission accomplished. -- Wndr.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Red Ryder » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:37 pm

A former coworker always bragged about being in the same ward as Stephanie Meyer. It was so cringe. He was eventually fired and moved to Utah.
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by wtfluff » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:21 pm

Wonderment wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:23 pm
This is why TBM women adore this story.
So... Loaded question, coming right up!

What's the difference between a TBM woman fantasizing about sparkly vegetarian vampires, and a TBM man fantasizing about an "actress" ?

(A sparkly actress, a naked actress, a sparkly naked actress, a sparkly vegetarian actress... Whatever...)
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Red Ryder » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:42 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:21 pm
Wonderment wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:23 pm
This is why TBM women adore this story.
So... Loaded question, coming right up!

What's the difference between a TBM woman fantasizing about sparkly vegetarian vampires, and a TBM man fantasizing about an "actress" ?

(A sparkly actress, a naked actress, a sparkly naked actress, a sparkly vegetarian actress... Whatever...)
🙋 Raises hand… I know….I know!!!

TBM men act on their fantasy and masturbate!
TBM women don’t…
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Wonderment » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:31 am

Red Ryder wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:37 pm
A former coworker always bragged about being in the same ward as Stephanie Meyer. It was so cringe. He was eventually fired and moved to Utah.
;)
I always felt that "Twi-hards", (which is what the fans call themselves :lol: ) consider Meyer to be some brilliant luminary like Charlotte Bronte, or Louisa May Alcott - a genius of a writer. Basically, Meyer is very cringe. She's unable to structure a plot, unable to organize a crisp story arc, unable to adhere to any sense of pacing......and, I could go on. She's not the admirable lioness of women's fiction that Molly Mormons pretend she is.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Wonderment » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:44 am

wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:21 pm
Wonderment wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:23 pm
This is why TBM women adore this story.
So... Loaded question, coming right up!

What's the difference between a TBM woman fantasizing about sparkly vegetarian vampires, and a TBM man fantasizing about an "actress" ?

(A sparkly actress, a naked actress, a sparkly naked actress, a sparkly vegetarian actress... Whatever...)
Excellent question, Fluffy. The answer is: In the world of relationships, there is a spectrum, with extremist behavior at each end of the spectrum.
Twilight's Bella and Edward are the extremist end of purity culture. She is the ice princess, whom he worships from afar. He greatly desires her, and she enjoys being desired -- but she never has to reciprocate, because in purity culture, good girls don't do that. The man is expected to do all the work. She has very high expectations and demands for how the man should behave. The man can look, but he better not touch her very much. She's the Molly Mo who thinks that they should both keep their garment tops on during sex, because they promised to wear the garment at all times. She's the one who lies there during intimacy, like a limp doll, distracting herself by mentally making a list of groceries, or errands to run the next day.

He does all the work in managing the both the physical and emotional intimacy of the relationship, and she is both physically and emotionally unavailable to him. He must be handsome, wealthy, and very hard working, so that all her RS friends will admire her for having caught such a Godly, pure, but romantic guy who desires her. Purity culture places very high demands on the part of the male.

On the other extremist end is pornography culture. This culture places unattainable expectations on the woman. She must have the body of a porn actress - a huge chest, tiny waist, and genitals that have been surgically altered to look as small and child-like as possible. Pop singer Billie Eilish was recently talking to Howard Stern about this on Sirius radio. ( Google "Billie Eilish talks about porn w/ Howard Stern"). Eilish was explaining that she started viewing porn at age 11; and she felt it ruined her because it took her until recently to realize that regular women don't have bodies that look like porn actresses, they don't have genitals that look like little girls, and they generally don't experience orgasms such as those faked by actresses in porn videos. Not only must the woman please the man by displaying a body that almost no female can attain, she must have sexual skills and a libido that almost no female possesses. Most women, unless acrobatic gymnasts, cannot contort themselves into the pretzel shapes assumed by women in porn, most don't like being choked to the point of strangulation, or being slapped or punched, or being jerked violently by their hair, or being pounded by anal or vaginal intercourse so severely vigorous that their teeth rattle. But that's what porn movies show as the correct and approved way for women to behave.

It's two very extremist ends of a relationship spectrum, and it is completely unrealistic. Both men and women become miserable trying to meet the demands and live up to the expectations imposed on them by purity culture at one end and porn culture at the other end. -- Wndr.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Hagoth » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:36 am

Wonderment wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:23 pm
Then he marries her when she turns 18, he takes her out of her mundane world, and into his world. She immediately becomes pregnant and births a vampire child.... But she is successful, because she finds a husband.
So vampirism is the priesthood and their special marriage produced children born under the covenant. Or maybe under the coven?
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Wonderment » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:04 pm


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Re: Fight The New Drug

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Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:23 pm
Then he marries her when she turns 18, he takes her out of her mundane world, and into his world. She immediately becomes pregnant and births a vampire child.... But she is successful, because she finds a husband.

So vampirism is the priesthood and their special marriage produced children born under the covenant. Or maybe under the coven?
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain

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Bwaa hahahaha ! :D :D :D Priceless. And true --- very, very true. Thanks, Hagoth. 8-) -- Wndr.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by wtfluff » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:10 pm

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Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:44 am
It's two very extremist ends of a relationship spectrum, and it is completely unrealistic. Both men and women become miserable trying to meet the demands and live up to the expectations imposed on them by purity culture at one end and porn culture at the other end. -- Wndr.
Back to my original "What's The Difference?" question: according to the above paragraph there's not too much of a difference. Both men and women are fantasizing about something that's not necessarily "real" and is also unattainable.

Am I interpreting this correctly, or is my magick rock/hat broken?


There's another difference I'm thinking of... Should I quit being a wimp and just post my fluffy Idea, and ready myself to dodge the pitchforks?
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Hagoth » Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:23 am

wtfluff wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:10 pm
There's another difference I'm thinking of... Should I quit being a wimp and just post my fluffy Idea, and ready myself to dodge the pitchforks?
The slings and arrows will be virtual.
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Wonderment » Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:50 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:10 pm
Wonderment wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:44 am
It's two very extremist ends of a relationship spectrum, and it is completely unrealistic. Both men and women become miserable trying to meet the demands and live up to the expectations imposed on them by purity culture at one end and porn culture at the other end. -- Wndr.
Back to my original "What's The Difference?" question: according to the above paragraph there's not too much of a difference. Both men and women are fantasizing about something that's not necessarily "real" and is also unattainable.

Am I interpreting this correctly, or is my magick rock/hat broken?


There's another difference I'm thinking of... Should I quit being a wimp and just post my fluffy Idea, and ready myself to dodge the pitchforks?
Hi Fluffy , no pitchforks from me ! :) Your comments and opinions are valued and appreciated here. -- Wndr.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by wtfluff » Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:05 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:23 am
The slings and arrows will be virtual.
Wonderment wrote:
Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:50 pm
Hi Fluffy , no pitchforks from me ! :) Your comments and opinions are valued and appreciated here. -- Wndr.
Well ok then... (I think I need to figure out a way to get my fingers to shut up and not post my Fluffy rants for all to see. :shock: )

To essentially sum up my rant about Twilight in this thread: Twilight is basically porn for Mormon Mommies. (Again, not all Mormon Mommies, but a lot of Mormon Mommies.)

So back to my original question: What's the difference between Mormon Mommy Porn, and Mormon Daddy Porn?

Well, when it comes to Twilight: Mormon Mommies being "addicted" to Twilight is completely normal, if not encouraged. As Hagoth mentioned, they get together in large groups to watch the movies, and basically celebrate their addiction to Mormon Mommy Porn. They wear Twilight apparel, put Obsessive Cullen Disorder (OCD) stickers on their Honda Pilots, and debate which of the Mormon Mommy Porn-Stars is the best (Team Edward, or Team Jacob?) Some even tell their husbands that the husband should act more like the Mormon Mommy's favorite Mormon Mommy Porn-Star.

But when it comes to Mormon Daddy Porn... Well, to quote this thread, the Mormon Daddy is a "filthy animal" and should crawl in a hole and disappear.


Le Sigh...
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Just This Guy » Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:42 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:05 pm
Well, when it comes to Twilight: Mormon Mommies being "addicted" to Twilight is completely normal, if not encouraged. As Hagoth mentioned, they get together in large groups to watch the movies, and basically celebrate their addiction to Mormon Mommy Porn. They wear Twilight apparel, put Obsessive Cullen Disorder (OCD) stickers on their Honda Pilots, and debate which of the Mormon Mommy Porn-Stars is the best (Team Edward, or Team Jacob?) Some even tell their husbands that the husband should act more like the Mormon Mommy's favorite Mormon Mommy Porn-Star.

But when it comes to Mormon Daddy Porn... Well, to quote this thread, the Mormon Daddy is a "filthy animal" and should crawl in a hole and disappear.


Le Sigh...
It's 3rd hand, so take it what you will.

DW had a friend (male) from high school who complained that he wife got a lifesize Edward cutout and insisted on keeping it setup in their bedroom. Needles to say, he was not amused. No idea how long it lasted.
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Red Ryder » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:59 am

wtfluff wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:05 pm
Well ok then... (I think I need to figure out a way to get my fingers to shut up and not post my Fluffy rants for all to see. :shock: )
I like Fluffy rants!

Carry on…
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Red Ryder » Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:04 pm

Just This Guy wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:42 pm

It's 3rd hand, so take it what you will.

DW had a friend (male) from high school who complained that he wife got a lifesize Edward cutout and insisted on keeping it setup in their bedroom. Needles to say, he was not amused. No idea how long it lasted.
Sister Ryder has something similar.

Only substitute the name like and image of Edward with that of Brad Pitt Jesus…

And shrink the life size down to an 8 X 10 portrait.

Place on the nightstand.

Pray to him and his father nightly. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Bonfire » Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:37 am

Time passed. Now there's more porn with even a Blockchain to share the smut while compensating the drug abusing morons. Vanity wins. Eshtar, Baal, or Ashtaroth are the gods you adore, which are nothing more than idols to worship the big/small female or homo/sure male forms. Modern times read like a passage in the Bible, such as Judges 2.
"And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim: And they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the Lord to anger. And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth."
Most everybody got their money, porn, sex, or drugs. Spoiled people are everywhere. The outlook in America is dismal. Industry has ceased. Idol worship is rampant as pornography. Rumors spread faster than lies while the truth shames. Being called to repentance turns on sinners, making them horny then give way to bloodlust. Paedophilia is commonplace, child sexual or physical abuse is overlooked, along with incest, while adultery is as common as circumcision. There is a pestilence of bugs that consume blood or cum, while our sustenance is contaminated, spoiling everybody all at once.

Are you still enjoying all the masturbation? The porn? Do you think it's still helping?
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by dogbite » Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:30 am

Why do you care? Mote and beam and all that.

I mean there is no demonstrable reason to think any religion has it right. And plenty to think they're wrong.

Most of us don't view the bible as being a guide to life. Or correct about what is right and wrong.

So when you tell us we're all bad based on biblical thinking, it's just silly. We don't share the same basis for discussing right and wrong and you've made no effort to construct a non religious argument that would apply to our reasoning.

I could just as readily ask you about your offering to Zeus and your place to come in Hades.

Your statement is equally silly.

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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Hagoth » Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 am

Bonfire wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:37 am
Time passed. Now there's more porn with even a Blockchain to share the smut while compensating the drug abusing morons. Vanity wins. Eshtar, The outlook in America is dismal. Industry has ceased. Idol worship is rampant as pornography. Rumors spread faster than lies while the truth shames. Being called to repentance turns on sinners, making them horny then give way to bloodlust. Paedophilia is commonplace, child sexual or physical abuse is overlooked, along with incest, while adultery is as common as circumcision. There is a pestilence of bugs that consume blood or cum, while our sustenance is contaminated, spoiling everybody all at once.

Are you still enjoying all the masturbation? The porn? Do you think it's still helping?
Wow. Of course, you have every right to believe whatever you want, Bonfire, but I am genuinely sad that you live in such a dismal, dark place that is obsessed with sex, hate and bigotry. It seems to me that this is what taking religion too literally can do to people. I hope you can at least consider that. You assume that everyone who doesn't believe in angels with gold plates is an abominable sinner intent on doing evil for evil's sake, compared to your self-image of lofty perfection. Maybe if you tried to go out of your way to actually get to know and love people who don't subscribe to your narrow reality, you could dispel some of that darkness. Maybe start with LGBTQ people. That's probably what Jesus would do these days. He liked catching the Sadducees and Pharisees of guard by loving the wrong people.

Can you give me a convincing reason why I should feel compelled to believe the words of an unknown author of a Bronze Age pseudepigrapha (and therefore inherently dishonest) that was very overtly written purely as a propaganda tool? I mean, why I should I believe the unknown author of Judges anymore than those of Bhagavad Gita, The Koran, or the Epic of Gilgamesh? Do you believe in Baal and Astaroth? I don't, but do you know that the Israelites did, and also worshipped them before later redactors rewrote their religion to focus exclusively on Yahweh? At some point they renamed Baal to Yahweh (he's the same dude in extrabiblical ancient texts) to differentiate themselves from their neighbors. Did you know that Baal and Yahweh had the same consort, Asherah, and that she was worshipped alongside Yahweh in the Temple of Solomon, just as she was worshipped alongside Baal in his temples?

I'm going to let you in on a secret, Bonfire. Religion is made up. All of it. Every one of the tens of thousands of religions that humans have participated in. If you ask me, what we need more of in this world is not religion, but spirituality, which is a real thing that can be imaged in fMRI brain scans. Turns out the brain activity of religious thinking is the exact opposite of the spiritual brain state (based on scans primarily of Mormons, BTW). We mix up our spirituality (real) with context (made up) and think the two are the same thing. According to very real neuroscience, the opposite of religious is NOT atheistic, it's spiritual. Maybe we should put less emphasis on old, dead, made up books and more on real, living people. That seems to spawn a lot less self-righteous hatred, and more opportunity for love and understanding, even of people who don't believe in angels with gold plates.

By the way, did you know that Utah County is both the most Mormon-dense place on earth and simultaneously has the highest number of porn downloads? Maybe we need more thoughtful inward examination than outward condemnation. And if you do a little research into your list of world-destroying sins, you will find that a significant amount of pedophilia, corruption, dishonesty, etc. happens in the name of God by self-righteous hypocrites, even in our beloved Zion.
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Re: Fight The New Drug

Post by Hagoth » Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:34 pm

I just went back and read this thread. It was very informative and entertaining. Thank you Bonfire!
Wonderment wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:44 am
On the other extremist end is pornography culture. This culture places unattainable expectations on the woman. She must have the body of a porn actress - a huge chest, tiny waist, and genitals that have been surgically altered to look as small and child-like as possible...
It occurred to me that many porn-viewing men probably don't want wives to look at porn either because real men are just as unlikely to stack up to porn actors in terms of physique, below-the-belt dimensions and stamina. Talk about unrealistic expectations.
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