NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by blazerb » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:04 am

I can't help but see the smirk this guy showed when he told 60 Minutes "We have significant resources."

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by lostinmiddlemormonism » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:05 am

Grrrrrrr...sitting up Brigham Young as the hero and rescuer of the the handcart disaster that his policies set up! Grrr.

Had you actually listened to the advice of experts instead of supposedly "inspired" religious figures, none of this would have happened.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by blazerb » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:07 am

He's going after OUR supporters, obliquely.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by lostinmiddlemormonism » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:07 am

lostinmiddlemormonism wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:05 am
Grrrrrrr...sitting up Brigham Young as the hero and rescuer of the the handcart disaster that his policies set up! Grrr.

Had you actually listened to the advice of experts instead of supposedly "inspired" religious figures, none of this would have happened.
Hero worship of politicians, musicians, athletes is a problem. You mean Tim Ballard? What about Rusty Nelson?

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:08 am

lostinmiddlemormonism wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:01 am
I like the idea of welcoming, but home is not always to the Mormon church. Because the church and God are not synonymous.
True. But it was still a good talk, so +50.

And as always, +10 for the accent.

He always takes me back to the time I lived in West Berlin. I so much fell in love with Berlin and for our 50 wedding anniversary, but Covid canceled the trip and I still want to go back and see the wall down. We used to walk along the wall as our entertainment because we were too poor to do anything that cost money.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by lostinmiddlemormonism » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:09 am

lostinmiddlemormonism wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:07 am
lostinmiddlemormonism wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:05 am
Grrrrrrr...sitting up Brigham Young as the hero and rescuer of the the handcart disaster that his policies set up! Grrr.

Had you actually listened to the advice of experts instead of supposedly "inspired" religious figures, none of this would have happened.
Hero worship of politicians, musicians, athletes is a problem. You mean Tim Ballard? What about Rusty Nelson?
Don't hero worship, but let me just pause here to suck up to President Nelson, cause he is so awesome.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by MoPag » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:10 am

alas wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:08 am
lostinmiddlemormonism wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:01 am
I like the idea of welcoming, but home is not always to the Mormon church. Because the church and God are not synonymous.
True. But it was still a good talk, so +50.

And as always, +10 for the accent.

He always takes me back to the time I lived in West Berlin. I so much fell in love with Berlin and for our 50 wedding anniversary, but Covid canceled the trip and I still want to go back and see the wall down. We used to walk along the wall as our entertainment because we were too poor to do anything that cost money.
That's so sweet!
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believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by MoPag » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:11 am

blazerb wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:07 am
He's going after OUR supporters, obliquely.
Wow he really is. Good for him.
...walked eye-deep in hell
believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by blazerb » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:14 am

MoPag wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:11 am
blazerb wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:07 am
He's going after OUR supporters, obliquely.
Wow he really is. Good for him.
To add on to what lostinthemiddlemormonism said. He needs to go a little farther and acknowledge that worship of church leaders is also distracting people from God. Then I'd really get behind him. Still +5 in my opinion.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by nibbler » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:15 am

-500 for Uchtdorf or however many points it takes to ensure he goes negative. His talk will absolutely be weaponized.
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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:15 am

Lots of “don’t put Trump before the church hints” without being able to say that name. So, although I don’t like that he really means church instead of God should be our real hero, +20 for anti Trump hints.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:17 am

nibbler wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:15 am
-500 for Uchtdorf or however many points it takes to ensure he goes negative. His talk will absolutely be weaponized.
As long as we remember that “the church” is NOT our loving father, we are immune to that weapon. Just to give you some emotional immunity for when someone does that to you.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by MoPag » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:17 am

Eyring
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believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by nibbler » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:18 am

I'm beyond it but his talk will hurt a lot of people.
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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:19 am

Ew, I don’t like this man. I am not sure why, but yuck.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:20 am

nibbler wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:18 am
I'm beyond it but his talk will hurt a lot of people.
Sad, but true. And why I didn’t argue with your negative rating of him with the beautiful East German accent.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by blazerb » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 am

I know this is a shallow observation. He has a Captain Kirk cadence. "We ... come in peace. We ... do not know ... your ways."

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by MoPag » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:25 am

blazerb wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 am
I know this is a shallow observation. He has a Captain Kirk cadence. "We ... come in peace. We ... do not know ... your ways."
:lol:
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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:26 am

nibbler wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:18 am
I'm beyond it but his talk will hurt a lot of people.
You know, it just stuck me that I doesn’t matter if we know better, or what is used to try to guild us back to church, what hurts is that someone we love doesn’t care how we feel or what we have experienced, they ONLY care that we stay in the blankety blank church. They deny how we feel as real, thus invalidating us as human.

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Re: NOMference Sunday morning Fall 2023

Post by alas » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:27 am

blazerb wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 am
I know this is a shallow observation. He has a Captain Kirk cadence. "We ... come in peace. We ... do not know ... your ways."
+20 points to blazerb

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