Your tithing dollars at work!

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Your tithing dollars at work!

Post by Red Ryder » Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:09 am

Another real estate project is in the works.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — one of the largest private landowners in Arizona — plans to develop a gated rental community in Queen Creek.

https://www.abc15.com/news/business/lds ... C2u2rVGvHk
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Post by stuck » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:56 am

Wow I think you or whoever said it was true--the church is becoming a real-estate business!

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Post by Cnsl1 » Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:08 am

Have they announced a Queen Creek temple yet? I suppose that's next.

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Post by Red Ryder » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:23 am

Cnsl1 wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:08 am
Have they announced a Queen Creek temple yet? I suppose that's next.
This easily could be a possibility in the near future. 🤣
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Post by Bonfire » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:36 am

We can do this on our own. I have mentioned a college subsidized by HOA yet there is so much more.

When members collateralize their own assets to invest in each other without bankers nor businessmen there are no salaries nor services charges to cause entropy.
“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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Post by Red Ryder » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:52 am

Bonfire wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:36 am
We can do this on our own. I have mentioned a college subsidized by HOA yet there is so much more.

When members collateralize their own assets to invest in each other without bankers nor businessmen there are no salaries nor services charges to cause entropy.
By HOA, you’re referring to a Home Owners Association?
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Post by Bonfire » Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:46 am

Red Ryder wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:52 am
Bonfire wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:36 am
We can do this on our own. I have mentioned a college subsidized by HOA yet there is so much more.

When members collateralize their own assets to invest in each other without bankers nor businessmen there are no salaries nor services charges to cause entropy.
By HOA, you’re referring to a Home Owners Association?
In a way, yes.

I am suggesting everyone shares their artist or philospher in campuses or newspapers by contributing to discussion boards.

Distributing building costs across multiple homeowners by organizing contributions into dividend earning stock allows participants to directly support themselves or those around them as they care about the college or their colleagues.

Delivering meals or papers to subscribers on day six better prepares everyone to survive the sabbath.
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“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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Post by Red Ryder » Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:30 pm

You’re thinking of a like minded community like this?

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/73493761
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Opportunity for group purchases of products and services needed to build your homestead.
Opportunity to sell your products and services through the co-op,
The opportunity to spearhead the creation of businesses to provide jobs, goods and services to members of the community and/or outside customers.
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Re: Your tithing dollars at work!

Post by Bonfire » Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:30 pm

No, I am seeking to reward local homeowners that want to sell so others around them can buy their place to use as community centers that act as halfway houses.
“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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Post by Red Ryder » Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:55 am

Bonfire wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:30 pm
No, I am seeking to reward local homeowners that want to sell so others around them can buy their place to use as community centers that act as halfway houses.
What about zoning laws or neighbors that may not want to live next to a half way house/community center?

Currently in Edmonton, the city is pushing out the homeless that gather at the local shelter because it’s next to the new billion dollar hockey arena. So they purchased a building a few km away and now those people are upset because they don’t want the homeless relocated into their neighborhood.

So what do we do to balance the needs of the haves and the have nots?
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Post by moksha » Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:13 am

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Post by Bonfire » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:19 pm

Red Ryder wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:55 am
Bonfire wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:30 pm
No, I am seeking to reward local homeowners that want to sell so others around them can buy their place to use as community centers that act as halfway houses.
What about zoning laws or neighbors that may not want to live next to a half way house/community center?

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So what do we do to balance the needs of the haves and the have nots?
I could understand why a neighborhood may not like the idea when there is no dividend nor passive income. However, the suggestion I made is to publish a local social digest with links to online discussion boards which covers the college expenses, providing revenue to participating supporters. Homeowners or household heads would be interested in such an establishment because when children or visiting relatives need a place to stay they could go to the college. In the event that a member or an investor's relative ends up incarcerated, the organization can work out bail, deliver commisary or allowance, pickup released inmates, or even house them close to home or work.

To balance the haves with the have-nots I would explain that supporting the homeless provides greater security, the revenue returns dividends, having a third-party handle court or corrections responsibilities engenders peace at home, or publishing forums, reddit, news, or edutainment encourages knowledgable input outside government.
“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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Post by Jeffret » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:38 pm

Bonfire wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:19 pm
To balance the haves with the have-nots I would explain that supporting the homeless provides greater security, the revenue returns dividends, having a third-party handle court or corrections responsibilities engenders peace at home, or publishing forums, reddit, news, or edutainment encourages knowledgable input outside government.
The more this discussion continues the more and more this new proposed structure sounds like some other thing I've heard mentioned before. Let's see what was it called ... government. Yes, that's it.
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Re: Your tithing dollars at work!

Post by Bonfire » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:42 pm

Jeffret wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:38 pm
Bonfire wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:19 pm
To balance the haves with the have-nots I would explain that supporting the homeless provides greater security, the revenue returns dividends, having a third-party handle court or corrections responsibilities engenders peace at home, or publishing forums, reddit, news, or edutainment encourages knowledgable input outside government.
The more this discussion continues the more and more this new proposed structure sounds like some other thing I've heard mentioned before. Let's see what was it called ... government. Yes, that's it.
Voluntary organization is not government since there is no monopoly on violence.

This proposal is to build a college that intercedes with the government or the church.
“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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Re: Your tithing dollars at work!

Post by Jeffret » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:16 pm

Bonfire wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:42 pm
Voluntary organization is not government since there is no monopoly on violence.
So is it the case that everyone gets to be equally violent, then?

(Perhaps more seriously, or less) Is this proposal for a voluntary organization somehow related to libertarian principles?

Or ... how does it relate to concepts or implementations currently related to an HOA?
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Post by Red Ryder » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:29 pm

Jeffret wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:16 pm
Bonfire wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:42 pm
Voluntary organization is not government since there is no monopoly on violence.
So is it the case that everyone gets to be equally violent, then?

(Perhaps more seriously, or less) Is this proposal for a voluntary organization somehow related to libertarian principles?

Or ... how does it relate to concepts or implementations currently related to an HOA?
And how does it differ from what’s already available today? Whether government, public entity, or private?
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Post by wtfluff » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:54 pm

Oh come on Red and Jeff... Can't you see that bonfire's "proposals" are the modern version of the United Order?

It's going to work!

Really!

Really Really!!!
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Post by Red Ryder » Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:04 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:54 pm
Oh come on Red and Jeff... Can't you see that bonfire's "proposals" are the modern version of the United Order?

It's going to work!

Really!

Really Really!!!
I’m interested in why the focus is college campus directed?

At some point you graduate and get on with life.

Bonfire, are you currently a political science and pre-med student at Utah State?
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Post by lostinmiddlemormonism » Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:34 pm

Remember, you can buy anything in this world with money.

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Post by Bonfire » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:40 am

This is NOT the United Order nor an insult to the currently existing economic structures or power hierarchies.
College/University in the commonly understood sense would not be hindered. This is a separate organization.

Drug abusers, homeless, leasepayers that lose employment, or slandered/libelled citizens need a sanctuary to recover themselves.
The suggestion I am proposing is to create a building managed by locals rather than rely on police or corrections.

There is currently not a system in place to help released inmates get home, obtain employment, or rebuild their reputations.
The church does not provide a place to stay nor are homeless shelters adequate.

Gathering people prevents increased hurt by properly preparing a path rather than expecting perpetrators or probationers to be cast out.

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In Exodus there are cities set up to protect people that are criminally accused so that they may receive a proper trial. This is necessary otherwise mobs may gather to destroy the innocent or incarcerate the not-guilty.

Modern culture with internet-connected smart phones demonstrate that social media is dangerous in spreading gossip.
No-cost communication, such as instant messaging or texts, betrays truth at the speaker/listener's convenience because their untruth costs nothing.

Truth cannot be the loudest lie. Isn't that what we are gathered here to discuss regarding the Latter-Day Saints?
“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10–11).

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