New Apostle

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lostinmiddlemormonism
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New Apostle

Post by lostinmiddlemormonism » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:53 pm

...what are the odds that Rusty goes ahead and names the new apostle soon, just in case he doesn't make it to the April conference. I mean, he will definitely want to leave his stamp on that and not leave it up to Dallin.

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Re: New Apostle

Post by blazerb » Sun Nov 19, 2023 2:37 pm

Good question. I don't remember what they have done before. There are strong indications that they may need one or two beyond the one they know about now.

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Re: New Apostle

Post by moksha » Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:49 pm

Nemo the Mormon has predicted that Elder Ahmad S. Corbitt will be the next apostle.
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Re: New Apostle

Post by nibbler » Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:23 pm

They've probably already submitted some names for K&M to thoroughly vet.

If there's a conflict between who the prophet wants and who passes the background checks, who wins? Who calls an apostle in the modern church, the sitting prophet or the lawyers?
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Re: New Apostle

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:34 pm

nibbler wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:23 pm
They've probably already submitted some names for K&M to thoroughly vet.

If there's a conflict between who the prophet wants and who passes the background checks, who wins? Who calls an apostle in the modern church, the sitting prophet or the lawyers?
Not vetting the candidate is the worst decision. Agreed?
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Re: New Apostle

Post by moksha » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:46 pm

Are they looking for both shadiness and loyalty?
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Re: New Apostle

Post by Just This Guy » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:16 am

Mayan_Elephant wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:34 pm
nibbler wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:23 pm
They've probably already submitted some names for K&M to thoroughly vet.

If there's a conflict between who the prophet wants and who passes the background checks, who wins? Who calls an apostle in the modern church, the sitting prophet or the lawyers?
Not vetting the candidate is the worst decision. Agreed?
The issue is they have a very different definition of vetting than the common person. Someone with multiple complaints from the FTC? Fine. Fraud convictions? Fine. Drove multiple businesses into the ground? Fine. Publicly question church leaders? No way!!!!
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Re: New Apostle

Post by wtfluff » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:33 am

nibbler wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:23 pm
They've probably already submitted some names for K&M to thoroughly vet.

If there's a conflict between who the prophet wants and who passes the background checks, who wins? Who calls an apostle in the modern church, the sitting prophet or the lawyers?
Or is it the Articles of Incorporation?

I attempted to read through them long ago - I don't remember anything about new apostle procedures being outlined.
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Re: New Apostle

Post by Red Ryder » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:32 am

The selection process for leaders within the Mormon church is similar to a criminal organization like the mafia. The process is not transparent or standardized, and it can vary based on the specific organized crime group and its internal dynamics.

1. **Hierarchy and Seniority:** Criminal organizations, including the mafia, often have a hierarchical structure. Leadership positions may be based on seniority within the group. Individuals who have been part of the organization for a longer time and have demonstrated loyalty may be considered for leadership roles.

2. **Criminal Proficiency:** Those aspiring to leadership positions within a criminal organization typically need to demonstrate a high level of criminal proficiency. This may include a history of successful criminal activities, effective management of illegal enterprises, and the ability to navigate the complexities of the criminal underworld.

3. **Trust and Loyalty:** Trust and loyalty are critical in criminal organizations. Leaders are often individuals who have earned the trust of their peers and superiors. Betrayal or disloyalty is severely punished, and individuals who are perceived as reliable and loyal are more likely to rise in the ranks.

4. **Conflict Resolution Skills:** Criminal organizations often face internal disputes or conflicts. Individuals with effective conflict resolution skills, who can maintain order and unity within the group, may be considered for leadership positions.

5. **Family Connections:** In some cases, family ties play a significant role in the leadership structure of criminal organizations. The mafia, in particular, is known for its emphasis on family connections, and leadership positions may be passed down within families.

6. **Leadership Qualities:** Effective leaders within criminal organizations need to possess leadership qualities such as decisiveness, strategic thinking, and the ability to command respect. Those who can inspire fear and loyalty may rise to the top.

*this post was written with the assistance of ChatGPT.
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Re: New Apostle

Post by Red Ryder » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:46 am

Ironically when asked to compare the process between Mormon and criminal activity:

The leadership selection process in the Mormon Church, officially known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), stands in stark contrast to the clandestine and often illegal methods associated with criminal organizations like the mafia. The LDS Church operates openly and adheres to a structured and transparent process for selecting its leaders:

1. **Hierarchical Structure:** Similar to criminal organizations, the LDS Church has a hierarchical structure. It is led by a President who is considered a prophet, seer, and revelator. Below the President are two counselors and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, forming the Church's top leadership.

2. **Divine Calling:** Leaders in the LDS Church are believed to be called by divine revelation. The process involves prayerful consideration by existing leaders, seeking guidance from God to choose individuals who are spiritually qualified and capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of their positions.

3. **Ordination and Appointment:** Leadership positions are not obtained through criminal or secretive activities. Rather, individuals are nominated or appointed by higher-ranking leaders, and appointments are made known to the Church membership during general conferences.

4. **No Secrecy or Criminal Proficiency:** Unlike criminal organizations, there is no secrecy or criminal proficiency required for leadership roles in the LDS Church. The emphasis is on spiritual qualities, personal integrity, and adherence to moral and ethical standards.

5. **Voluntary Service:** Most leaders within the LDS Church serve voluntarily and without financial compensation. This stands in contrast to criminal organizations, where leadership may involve illicit financial gains.

6. **Emphasis on Family Values:** The LDS Church places a strong emphasis on family values, and while family connections are not the primary criterion for leadership, individuals with strong family ties are encouraged to serve.

7. **Succession Planning:** The LDS Church has a clear succession plan for the presidency, ensuring a smooth transition of leadership. The longest-serving apostle typically becomes the new President when the previous one passes away or is unable to fulfill the responsibilities.

In summary, the leadership selection process in the LDS Church is characterized by transparency, a strong moral and ethical foundation, and a belief in divine guidance, in stark contrast to the clandestine and often illegal methods associated with criminal organizations.
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Re: New Apostle

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:27 pm

Red Ryder wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:32 am


*this post was written with the assistance of ChatGPT.
Just tell the bot to remove the formatting and bolding and you won't have all those "*".
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