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jfro18 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:45 am But really it's not difficult - they were afraid that she would record it and they don't want it to get out because it makes them look like a frontier sex cult stuck in the 1840s.

jfro18 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:45 am They're cowards.

They wanted to ex Natasha and make sure she didn't record the meeting, because they don't want their words getting out because they come off so cult-like.

So they booted her because they figure that if she was using her phone to access notes that she would use it to record them, which I am sure she was going to do.

Why they refused to let the witnesses use the restroom I don't know - were they afraid they were going to put wires in their clothes? That's the only reason I can think of.

But really it's not difficult - they were afraid that she would record it and they don't want it to get out because it makes them look like a frontier sex cult stuck in the 1840s.

Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:32 pm I'm wonder if they tried to work with her at all. She said the reason for her phone was because she needed her notes off it because her printer wouldn't work earlier that day. If the stake were reasonable, they could offer to let her e-mail those notes to the Exec Sec who could then easily print off a copy for her. She gets her notes and they get their control and "privacy."

If they didn't offer, then the stake were fools for missing a very simple way of de-escalating the situation. If they did offer and she declined, then it is more reasonable that she was in fact trying to secretly record it and she would be in the wrong.

That being said, using a cell phone to record in such a situation is kind of a joke. There are other methods of recording that don't involve a cell. At a minimal, use a 2nd phone. Offer the first as a show and then don't tell them about the 2nd that is the real recorder.

Wasn't the recording of Bill Reel's kangaroo court done by a high councilman? It's not the victim they need to be watching. It's everyone else.

Stig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:08 pm This thing turned into a circus in a big hurry. I understand that she is at a terrible low in her life, but using a public forum (Facebook) to vent and process everything going on hasn't really helped her, in my opinion. Trying to follow some of her posts today was...interesting.

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:28 pm So everyone is busy tonight, and I decided to just try to sneak in a glance at the vigil for Natasha to see what was going on. Apparently, Natasha's computer wasn't working properly, so she wanted to use her phone to access her notes. They were so worried that she would record the council, they demanded she hand over her phone to them - she refused, and so the council was cancelled. And apparently they were so worried about the vigil people that cops were called, and three cop cars were on the scene. It was at that point that John Dehlin shut off the live stream.

Unbelievable. They made her travel all that way, and then cancelled because Natasha had the balls not to play the game their way. This is getting even more pathetic, with their control games.

Reuben wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:36 pm Paragraph 4 is amazing. Summary: "We value diversity of opinion in matters of doctrine and belief, as long as you keep it to yourself."

blazerb wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:37 pm

Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:32 pm I'm wonder if they tried to work with her at all. She said the reason for her phone was because she needed her notes off it because her printer wouldn't work earlier that day. If the stake were reasonable, they could offer to let her e-mail those notes to the Exec Sec who could then easily print off a copy for her. She gets her notes and they get their control and "privacy."

If they didn't offer, then the stake were fools for missing a very simple way of de-escalating the situation. If they did offer and she declined, then it is more reasonable that she was in fact trying to secretly record it and she would be in the wrong.

That being said, using a cell phone to record in such a situation is kind of a joke. There are other methods of recording that don't involve a cell. At a minimal, use a 2nd phone. Offer the first as a show and then don't tell them about the 2nd that is the real recorder.

Wasn't the recording of Bill Reel's kangaroo court done by a high councilman? It's not the victim they need to be watching. It's everyone else.

If I understood the video from Mormon Stories correctly, she said that they did make the offer. She declined for two reasons. First, they were imposing rules that were not set out beforehand. Second, her notes had information for herself and no one else had a right to see them. I believe she was sincere, but I'm a trusting sort. As you point out, if she wanted to record, it would have been easy enough to sneak another device into the room.