Scribal additions to the New Testament and the JST

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Scribal additions to the New Testament and the JST

Post by dogbite » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:10 pm

From https://accuracyofjst.weebly.com
A total of 48 complete verses in the KJV NT have been determined to be scribal additions. These verse are either omitted in the NRSV or noted in the NRSV as not appearing in some manuscripts. Of these 48 verses, the JST only removes 1 – Mark 9:46. But even in this one instance, the JST errs by replacing the removed Mark 9:46 verse with other text that does not appear in biblical manuscripts. Therefore the accuracy of the JST with regards to the removal of verses that were later added by scribes is 0%.
I wish he/she gave more concrete examples and discussion. But let's take a quick look at the three most recognized examples. These aren't necessarily in the LDS footnotes but are in the complete inspired version belonging to the Community of Christ.

Long ending of Mark

Wikipedia discussion of the problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

There are two primary problems with this for Mormonism. First is that this late forgery is quoted as words from Jesus in Mormon 9:22-25 https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/morm/9?lang=eng

And that the JST revises it again
http://centerplace.org/hs/iv/iv-mar.htm#v16.8

Now there's no reason Jesus necessarily had to quote himself word-for-word when speaking to the Nephites but it's interesting which pieces he did and did not quote from a piece he never apparently spoke to the Jews either.

The end result is that Joseph Smith was taken in by a part of the Mark he did not know was fake. And that God didn't know was fake. Alternately, an apologist might argue that this is a correction God wanted to include in the Bible and cause to be corrected. This is at odds with the 8th article of faith. Either the Bible isn't fully trustworthy or God protects it and corrects it. But not both simultaneously.


Bloody Sweat

The issue as explained by Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_22:43%E2%80%9344

Again, Mormons have to contend with this in multiple revealed places.

From https://rsc.byu.edu/es/archived/selecti ... led-truths
Luke’s account of Gethsemane is the only Gospel that speaks of the Savior’s sweat and blood: “And his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground” (Luke 22:44). The JST changed the use of the word sweat from a noun to a verb, therefore emphasizing the blood and not the sweat. It read, “and he sweat as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground” (JST, Luke 22:44). [22] The Savior literally sweat blood for mankind’s sins
You can look it up on the centerplace.org site referenced above. But also see Mosiah 3:7 and DC 19:18 where this is referenced directly as revealed fact.

As with the long ending of Mark, either God is correcting and maintaining the biblical accuracy and the 8th Article of Faith doesn't apply; or Joseph Smith doesn't know when the Bible is wrong and God didn't reveal it to him either.


Woman taken in adultery

Wikipedia discussion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_a ... n_adultery

JST sample correction:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee; go and sin no more. And the woman glorified God from that hour and believed on his name.

The last sentence in JS correction.

Yet again JS is verifying and augmenting a generally acknowledged forgery. So which is it? Is it the 8th Article of Faith or is the Bible infallible even before Joseph's minor corrections?


Or JS was just totally wrong about all of it.

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Re: Scribal additions to the New Testament and the JST

Post by deacon blues » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:41 pm

I noticed this note from a bible site-- "Many early manuscripts do not have verses 43 and 44." It seems Joseph translated something that probably wasn't in the original book of Luke.
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Re: Scribal additions to the New Testament and the JST

Post by dogbite » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:19 am

Clarke's commentary https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc.html as a source for the JST is challenging to JS claims of inspired translation to the Bible. What we've learned about the Bible since that time is also challenging and from a different direction.

Clarke's commentary is very Methodist and could be the source of the anti Catholic church of the devil views even McConkie had.

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