NOM

Letter of George F. Richards, 18 August 1949
In a letter to the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve on August 18, 1949, Pres. George F.
Richards stated his concern over the discontinuance of second anointings:

deacon blues wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:53 pm

I wonder what happened in 1928 that caused them to almost stop giving 2nd annointings?

About 1928 an incident occurred which so incensed the First Presidency that they had
all the recommend books brought in to the President's office, and instructions were given that
no recommends of that character should be given by stake presidents thereafter.
The Twelve were authorized to make recommendations; but their recommendations
were rarely ever acted upon favorably, so that the administering Seconds almost entirely
ceased. In twelve years, from 1930 to 1942, when these facts were tabulated, but eight such
blessings were administered in the Church. Only EIGHT blessings in twelve years!
The incident above mentioned which so exasperated the First Presidency was as
follows: A brother who had received his Second Blessings, while speaking in a priesthood
meeting in one of the Idaho stakes, told the brethren that they all should have their Second
Blessings. Of course that was a serious infraction of the charge which he received when he had
his Second Anointings; but I have never learned of any serious consequences to follow, except
the action on the part of the Authorities, discontinuing the administration of those blessings in
the Church.
It appears to me that the mistake made by the good brother in Idaho was not so serious
as to justify letting those sacred ordinances come into disuse in the Church. I think now is the
time to act; with such modifications as to details as the brethren might feel to make, insuring
that these blessings be administered only to those who are worthy to receive them. ***

Temples under construction now and in the future should be provided with a room for
the administration of these blessings alone, to be known as the Holy of Holies, for if we do not
move in the matter before us, some others coming after us will do so for it must be done, and
temples should be designed and constructed with that thought in mind.

Rob4Hope wrote:I read a dissertation paper from a BYU PhD candidate where he argued that the primary reason the church had to go with BY was because BY had his "second anointing blessings". Consequently, with the keys, he could pass that blessing along. So, the church could only go with the 'fullness of the PH'.

I remember hearing Truman Madsen lecture and skirt up against this issue. But the problem is, these guys haven't had the "heavens opened to them"...have they? They admit as much.

This 2nd Anointing is a way to have an inner circle of "whos who"...and keep the good-old-boys club going. I wonder if there is anything like a 'good-old-girls club" with this stuff?

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

Rob4Hope wrote:I read a dissertation paper from a BYU PhD candidate where he argued that the primary reason the church had to go with BY was because BY had his "second anointing blessings". Consequently, with the keys, he could pass that blessing along. So, the church could only go with the 'fullness of the PH'.

I remember hearing Truman Madsen lecture and skirt up against this issue. But the problem is, these guys haven't had the "heavens opened to them"...have they? They admit as much.

This 2nd Anointing is a way to have an inner circle of "whos who"...and keep the good-old-boys club going. I wonder if there is anything like a 'good-old-girls club" with this stuff?

The Good old girls club is to wash the mans feet and give him a blessing during the ceremony.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

The Good old girls club is to wash the mans feet and give him a blessing during the ceremony.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

The Good old girls club is to wash the mans feet and give him a blessing during the ceremony.

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:40 pm

deacon blues wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:53 pm

I wonder what happened in 1928 that caused them to almost stop giving 2nd annointings?

About 1928 an incident occurred which so incensed the First Presidency that they had
all the recommend books brought in to the President's office, and instructions were given that
no recommends of that character should be given by stake presidents thereafter.
The Twelve were authorized to make recommendations; but their recommendations
were rarely ever acted upon favorably, so that the administering Seconds almost entirely
ceased. In twelve years, from 1930 to 1942, when these facts were tabulated, but eight such
blessings were administered in the Church. Only EIGHT blessings in twelve years!
The incident above mentioned which so exasperated the First Presidency was as
follows: A brother who had received his Second Blessings, while speaking in a priesthood
meeting in one of the Idaho stakes, told the brethren that they all should have their Second
Blessings. Of course that was a serious infraction of the charge which he received when he had
his Second Anointings; but I have never learned of any serious consequences to follow, except
the action on the part of the Authorities, discontinuing the administration of those blessings in
the Church.
It appears to me that the mistake made by the good brother in Idaho was not so serious
as to justify letting those sacred ordinances come into disuse in the Church. I think now is the
time to act; with such modifications as to details as the brethren might feel to make, insuring
that these blessings be administered only to those who are worthy to receive them. ***

laughing in provo wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:23 am

https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpres ... ession.pdf

Palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:29 pm

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

The Good old girls club is to wash the mans feet and give him a blessing during the ceremony.

I've actually seen this happen. The circumstances were such that I shouldn't relate everything but I can tell you it made me really uncomfortable with the position of the woman in the process of the 2nd anointing.

Degrading in the sense of subservience. Something very wrong on a visceral level.

I related the occurrence to Sis. Palerider and she became pretty upset with the prospect that this was an ordinance considered by church leadership to be sanctioned by Heavenly Father.

The 2nd Anointing is evil.....Just. plain. evil.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:37 am

Palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:29 pm

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

The Good old girls club is to wash the mans feet and give him a blessing during the ceremony.

I've actually seen this happen. The circumstances were such that I shouldn't relate everything but I can tell you it made me really uncomfortable with the position of the woman in the process of the 2nd anointing.

Degrading in the sense of subservience. Something very wrong on a visceral level.

I related the occurrence to Sis. Palerider and she became pretty upset with the prospect that this was an ordinance considered by church leadership to be sanctioned by Heavenly Father.

The 2nd Anointing is evil.....Just. plain. evil.

Now you have to kiss and tell!

The incident above mentioned which so exasperated the First Presidency was as
follows: A brother who had received his Second Blessings, while speaking in a priesthood
meeting in one of the Idaho stakes, told the brethren that they all should have their Second
Blessings.

redjay wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:56 pm

2nd anointing is another major shelf breaker.

Chances are that you will get you second anointing of you are a SP/GA

Seems most of those are white collar upper middle class

What about the janitors, blue collar workers?

Elitist boys club nonsense.

Charlotte wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm

redjay wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:56 pm

2nd anointing is another major shelf breaker.

Chances are that you will get you second anointing of you are a SP/GA

Seems most of those are white collar upper middle class

What about the janitors, blue collar workers?

Elitist boys club nonsense.

For me, too. I was possibly going to come to peace with my first shelf-breaker, polygamy, but the second anointing was so demeaning and exclusive. It called all temple ceremonies into question. Disappointment with a capital D. Nothing was the same after that.