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Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by consiglieri » Wed May 01, 2019 3:42 pm

I had a nice telephone chat with a member of the Strengthening Church Members Committee this morning.

The funny thing is he didn't call me. I called him.

Here is how it came about.

Early this morning I was contacted by Bill Reel advising me that there is a teenager (about 18) who listens to the podcast and frequents ex-Mormon Reddit, where he read a comment somebody had made about how RFM's neck is in the SCMC noose over the latest podcast, "President Nelson Jumps the Shark"; that the SCMC has files on dissident Mormons like RFM; that the SCMC surely had a file on RFM; and that disciplinary action would no doubt be shortly forthcoming.

This teenager is not the average teen. His grandfather is a General Authority Seventy. The teen talks to his grandfather about different issues relating to the church, and brought up this subject with him. (I am not using the name of the teen or his grandfather because I don't want to inadvertently doxx the kid.)

Anyway, the teen's grandfather Seventy said he knows another Seventy who does work on the SCMC named Elder Timothy J. Dyches, and the grandfather would check with him. After checking with Elder Dyches, the grandfather got back to his grandson to say that the grandfather Seventy had spoken with Elder Dyches, and that the SCMC does, in fact, have a file on Radio Free Mormon.

But the grandfather Seventy went further; he gave his grandson Elder Dyches's telephone number, told his grandson he could pass it along to Radio Free Mormon; and that Radio Free Mormon could give Elder Dyches a call to discuss the contents of his SCMC file; and that Elder Dyches would be expecting his call.

All of this information Bill Reel passed on to me at about 10:00 this morning.

Well, as you can imagine, it was all too much to resist, so I called the phone number provided of 801-240-3305. A very pleasant lady picked up on the other end and advised me I had reached the office of Elder Timothy J. Dyches, and asked how she could help me.

I told her I was calling for Elder Dyches and that he was expecting my call.

She asked for my name. I thought saying Radio Free Mormon would raise more questions than it would answer, so I just made up a name and told her it was "John Smith." (Yes, that is really the name I used.)

She asked what this was regarding. I told her it was a bit of an unusual situation, but it was my understanding that Elder Dyches serves on the Strengthening Church Members Committee, that he has a file on me, and that he is expecting my call to discuss the contents of my file.

This did not seem to surprise her in the least. The receptionist said she would check and put me on hold for about a minute, while I listened to some soothing classical music.

When the phone picked up again, it was the receptionist saying she was transferring me through to Elder Dyches.

Elder Dyches picked up the phone and identified himself. I told him I had used the name "John Smith" with his receptionist; that my name was not really "John Smith," but that I podcasted under the name Radio Free Mormon.

I told him that this was a bit of an awkward phone call, but that I had learned through a circuitous route that Elder Dyches serves on the Strengthening Church Members Committee, that he has a file on Radio Free Mormon, and that he might be expecting a call from me to discuss its contents.

Elder Dyches identified the name of the grandfather Seventy and mentioned the teenage grandson, so it seemed like the story checked out, and I told him that was exactly the circuitous route I had referring to.

Elder Dyches told me that he did not want me to use the contents of our conversation for any purpose whatsoever. I assured him I was not recording the call, because I live in a two-party consent state and I wasn't about to break the law. (We both chuckled over this.)

Elder Dyches said he usually would talk with people who came in person to his office as opposed to over the phone. I told him that was difficult considering I lived in another state. He understood the difficulty.

Elder Dyches confirmed that he does serve on the SCMC and that he does have a file on a member of the church whom he identifies as being Radio Free Mormon. He mentioned the member's full name to me and asked if I were that individual.

I told him I could not confirm nor deny whether I was that individual.

(We both had a good laugh over that one.)

Elder Dyches said he was not comfortable talking with me on the phone about the contents of my file unless I were willing to positively identify myself as the member he believes Radio Free Mormon to be.

I asked him that if his file is on Radio Free Mormon and I have identified myself as Radio Free Mormon, then why couldn't he talk with Radio Free Mormon about the contents of his file?

Elder Dyches reiterated that he wouldn't feel comfortable talking with me unless I positively identified myself as the member he believes Radio Free Mormon to be.

I told him that I guess that takes care of our conversation, then, and I thanked him for taking the time to accept my call and chat with me. I wished him a good day and he did the same to me.

________________________

A few thoughts:

1. Elder Dyches was very pleasant and cordial. We both shared laughs over the unusualness of the situation. He seemed genuinely sincere when he wished me a good day at the end of our conversation.

2. It is confirmed that Elder Dyches is a member of the Strengthening Church Members Committee. Strangely, his official church bio mentions his current positions, but SCMC is not among them.
Elder Timothy J. Dyches was sustained as a General Authority Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on April 6, 2013. At the time of his call, he was serving in a ward Young Men presidency. He served as a member of the Europe Area Presidency from August 2013 to August 2016 and is currently serving at Church headquarters as an Assistant Executive Director in the Temple Department and chairman of the Restoration and Cancellation Committee.
https://www.lds.org/church/leader/timot ... s?lang=eng

3. There is definitely a file on Radio Free Mormon; less than surprising.

4. I am not terribly interested in knowing the contents of the Radio Free Mormon file at the SCMC, because I am the one who created it in the first place, and I expect it has an excerpted edition of RFM's greatest hits. I just hope the file is really, really big.

All the Best!

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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by wakarusa » Wed May 01, 2019 4:01 pm

I liked your RMN episode, but when I listened to it, I wondered if it would be the your "Elder Holland Liar Liar" episode that triggers the inquisition. Hopefully not,but it was plenty strong.

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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Just This Guy » Wed May 01, 2019 4:21 pm

Are you considering a followup call, RFM to go into more detail??

So the question is how long before they come after you like they have for so many other? (Bill Reel, John Dehlin, etc) your podcasts are as direct as the ones that got Bill the ax. They may not be quite as inflammatory, but the content is undeniable. So what is the point of no return for you, RFM?

To be fair to Mr. Dyches, it's pretty much standard business policy to not discuss sensitive files with someone who does not want to identify themselves, so his responsible is perfectly reasonable.

It may be pure speculation, but we know they have files for the big names in the opposition like Bill, John, RFM, and others, but how far do they extend? Does every poster on R/Exmo or NMO have one, or just people they deem trouble makers and if they do
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Palerider » Wed May 01, 2019 10:21 pm

Consiglieri, that is about as close to sticking your head in the lion's mouth and coming out alive as a person can get.

On TV the big cats always look warm and fuzzy. In reality and in person, they can be extremely ferocious.

To the church RFM looks like a hyena that needs a good clipping.

Can you imagine what they would do to you if they had all the power they dream of having? It would be more than ugly. It would be deadly and they would mourn your loss with great alligator tears.

"So sad....if only he had repented...." :cry:
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Red Ryder » Thu May 02, 2019 12:14 am

I’m calling tomorrow to see if they have a file on Kishkumen??
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Not Buying It » Thu May 02, 2019 5:16 am

“Beware of the evil behind the smiling eyes”.

What an odd encounter. He admitted they have a file on RFM, pretty much admitted they’ve figured out who you are, and pretty much outed themselves as monitoring dissenters and attempting to determine their identities. And you shared a few laughs while he did it. I mean, give the fellow credit for being friendly and forthcoming, but let’s not forget he is part of an effort to identify dissenters and silence them if they think they need to, to the point of separating them from their families for eternity if they think it is called for.

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RE: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Mormorrisey » Thu May 02, 2019 6:48 am

That was a interesting story, and I'm SURE the file is pretty large.

More of a rhetorical question, RFM, but are you worried about this? I don't go on a lot of boards other than this one, so maybe this has been answered already by you somewhere else, but as someone who has been on local leadership's radar, and not SCMC because of my anonymity, I would be concerned. Are you concerned about this? Your tone suggests not.

Good luck with all this. If they know who you are, I'm sure the locals will "discern" your apostateness without any help from the SCMC, and I fear you'll have a visit shortly.
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by MoPag » Thu May 02, 2019 8:33 am

Red Ryder wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:14 am
I’m calling tomorrow to see if they have a file on Kishkumen??
:lol: ^^

Can you also ask him if the Voodoo doll I made of him is working? Thx!!! :lol:


I feel like if he listens to the podcasts he would be able to tell it was RFM on the phone by his voice.
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Not Buying It » Thu May 02, 2019 10:53 am

While you had him on the phone, you should have asked if you could get a copy of all of the posts from the old board. I'm pretty sure he has copies of all of them.

I've always operated under the assumption that the CoB knows who all of us are, and just don't care to bother coming after us.

By the way, shout out to our CoB lurkers. Hi! You all really need to rethink what you are doing with your lives.
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Yobispo » Thu May 02, 2019 11:07 am

Consig - "jump the Shark" was amazing, and in my humble opinion it was every bit as scathing as Bill's "liar liar". You called RMN a false prophet. Say what you want about Jesus Christ, but don't you dare insult the Grand Poobah.

Other thought: Bill's comments in his court o love were as spot-on as anyone could have done it, except for maybe RFM. I think you're up to the challenge, brother. Take Bill down!! :D

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Post by consiglieri » Thu May 02, 2019 3:03 pm

The new podcast is up regarding the SCMC!

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... -the-lord/

I decided to call it, "Spying for the Lord."

Weird Alma was kind enough to let me use one of his songs to close with.

It is dynamite!

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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by jfro18 » Thu May 02, 2019 3:10 pm

Not Buying It wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 10:53 am

I've always operated under the assumption that the CoB knows who all of us are, and just don't care to bother coming after us.

By the way, shout out to our CoB lurkers. Hi! You all really need to rethink what you are doing with your lives.
I would love to know this. Clearly most people on here post at least mostly anonymously, so I can't imagine they can get those details.

But I do wonder what the 'requirement' is to trigger going after people and trying to figure out who everyone is. They don't really excommunicate that many people, do they?

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Post by 2bizE » Thu May 02, 2019 5:35 pm

I’m not surprised they know who you are RFM. After all, you did file a suit/request for data from the BYUPD. I thought it was great that you would not confirm nor deny. Thanks for bringing insight and entertainment into my life.
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Post by Hagoth » Thu May 02, 2019 5:40 pm

Hi, Kellan Hatch here, Sandy Willow Creek 7th Ward.

I'd like to ask you SCMC guys who are monitoring sites like this how long it takes before you start getting that OH SH!T! feeling in the pit of your stomach as you learn more about real church history and the origins of doctrines. I'm also very curious about your committee's attrition rate and whether or not the rumor is true that you are regularly rotated through a special mental health facility at the U of U medical center to set you back on track.

I highly recommend listening to all of RFM's podcasts and reading all of MormonThink.com. Tough job, guys, but I guess somebody's got to do it.

I know you can't post here, so please PM me. I gave you my name but I don't mind if you remain anonymous.

Thanks!
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Post by FiveFingerMnemonic » Thu May 02, 2019 6:26 pm

Hagoth wrote:Hi, Kellan Hatch here, Sandy Willow Creek 7th Ward.

I'd like to ask you SCMC guys who are monitoring sites like this how long it takes before you start getting that OH SH!T! feeling in the pit of your stomach as you learn more about real church history and the origins of doctrines. I'm also very curious about your committee's attrition rate and whether or not the rumor is true that you are regularly rotated through a special mental health facility at the U of U medical center to set you back on track.

I highly recommend listening to all of RFM's podcasts and reading all of MormonThink.com. Tough job, guys, but I guess somebody's got to do it.

I know you can't post here, so please PM me. I gave you my name but I don't mind if you remain anonymous.

Thanks!
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Not Buying It » Thu May 02, 2019 8:12 pm

jfro18 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 3:10 pm
Not Buying It wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 10:53 am

I've always operated under the assumption that the CoB knows who all of us are, and just don't care to bother coming after us.

By the way, shout out to our CoB lurkers. Hi! You all really need to rethink what you are doing with your lives.
I would love to know this. Clearly most people on here post at least mostly anonymously, so I can't imagine they can get those details.

But I do wonder what the 'requirement' is to trigger going after people and trying to figure out who everyone is. They don't really excommunicate that many people, do they?
If you’ve ever clicked a link to the LDS website from NOM, they know you got there from NOM. They also know your IP address, because you have connected to their website. I’m pretty sure they know who a lot of us are.

See https://www.quora.com/Can-a-website-I-v ... -came-from

If someone knows I’m wrong, please speak up, I’m no expert. But I’ve always assumed they know who a lot of us are. If it matters to you, better not trust me, find out for sure from someone who is an expert.

P.S. CoB lurkers, if you’ve figured out who I am, good for you! Go ahead and give yourselves a pat on the back. You figured out the identity of one of a billion nobodies on the planet - that was really worth your time, wasn’t it?
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Thoughtful » Thu May 02, 2019 8:15 pm

I know "elder" Dyches. But I know him as Dr Dyches, an ENT in Reno. He used to come cry a la Eyering in our stake conferences. It was a bit of a scandal when someone local with a similar name got busted for pedophilia. Anyway, I'm glad he was able to socially climb himself into a salaried position.

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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Evil_Bert » Thu May 02, 2019 10:22 pm

Elder Dyches has been around the Reno area forever. He made it to a few of our stake conferences in Carson in the past. I wondered what became of him.
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by moksha » Thu May 02, 2019 10:27 pm

Just This Guy wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 4:21 pm
To be fair to Mr. Dyches, it's pretty much standard business policy to not discuss sensitive files with someone who does not want to identify themselves, so his responsible is perfectly reasonable.
What was discussed with the grandson of the other guy seemed both questionable and suspect. Sort of like a setup to gain information. The key determinate would be whether Consiglieri's real name was used by Elder Dyches.

I imagine the SCMC had Radio Free Mormon in their sights ever since he dared debunk the story of seeing the rudder on the Navy ship. They could have gotten 40 years of retelling that story at General Conference if not for Radio Free Mormon.
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Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Post by Hagoth » Fri May 03, 2019 3:01 am

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Sweet I messaged you on facebook! Image
Thanks for the heads-up. I very rarely look at Facebook.
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