Vaporware Temples
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Vaporware Temples
Didn't see this on here.
Saturday night, during the women's session, they announced a new temple to be built in Orem Utah. This was very braking news. So new that the City of Orem put out a statement that they had no idea that one was in the works and not been contacted about it yet, so they had no details to offer.
Someone putting the cart before the horse?
Saturday night, during the women's session, they announced a new temple to be built in Orem Utah. This was very braking news. So new that the City of Orem put out a statement that they had no idea that one was in the works and not been contacted about it yet, so they had no details to offer.
Someone putting the cart before the horse?
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The church announces the temples they are considering. Some of them have gotten nixed. So, I am not surprised that the city of Orem knows nothing. The land has not even been picked out. But the brethren are thinking about it.
It keeps the members feeling like the church is growing by leaps and bounds. Look at all the new temples they announce.
Part of the church’s game of making things LOOK like the church is growing, even when it isn’t.
It keeps the members feeling like the church is growing by leaps and bounds. Look at all the new temples they announce.
Part of the church’s game of making things LOOK like the church is growing, even when it isn’t.
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"As if" the city of Orem will not bend over backwards 1,000,000 times over to do whatever LD$-Inc. asks of them when they do finally "buddy up" to the table.
Hopefully I'm wrong. Rumor has it that Saratoga Springs has not been as cooperative as the theocracy would like them to be...
Hopefully I'm wrong. Rumor has it that Saratoga Springs has not been as cooperative as the theocracy would like them to be...
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Yes, it seems like RMN is announcing temples as he places them in his Amazon Wish List rather than moving them into his shopping cart.
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The main purpose of announcing temples is to energize the membership. It's kind of like a high school pep rally in that respect. It's an "oh, isn't it amazing how the Church is growing" exercise. If some of them never get built, they still served their purpose.
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Do the temples get charged property taxes based on building valuations?
Seems the City of Orem would benefit greatly.
Seems the City of Orem would benefit greatly.
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I doubt it...
Lots of speculation bouncing around in the DAMU about all these empty temples, and the real reason for them.
Of course my useless fluffy speculation is that it's all about money.
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Can you provide a link to the statement issued by Orem City? This is hilarious if true.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:44 amDidn't see this on here.
Saturday night, during the women's session, they announced a new temple to be built in Orem Utah. This was very braking news. So new that the City of Orem put out a statement that they had no idea that one was in the works and not been contacted about it yet, so they had no details to offer.
Someone putting the cart before the horse?
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Depends on where it is. In the US, no. They are deemed churches and are tax exempt. However, England and Europe requires churches to be open to the public, therefore temples are considered private clubs and are subject to taxes. So that big complex they just finished in Rome, wonder how much it's gonna cost them a year? It would be interesting to compare pre-2005 to post-2005 temple construction rates in Europe to see if that changed any development plans.
I also wonder what it's like for an assessor to go though the building to figure out its taxable value.
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It is my understanding that religious buildings are tax exempt, even property tax. I remember watching a documentary on the JWs and one comment they made was that NYC was salivating at the prospect of the JWs selling their headquarters building and moving to a lower-cost area. Their ugly headquarters sits on prime Brooklyn real-estate and generates no revenue in property tax.
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Orem will now feel compelled to come up with a free land site on which to build this temple and smooth over any zoning concerns.
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It was posted on their Facebook page. I'll see if I can find it later tonight.Mormon 8 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:40 pmCan you provide a link to the statement issued by Orem City? This is hilarious if true.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:44 amDidn't see this on here.
Saturday night, during the women's session, they announced a new temple to be built in Orem Utah. This was very braking news. So new that the City of Orem put out a statement that they had no idea that one was in the works and not been contacted about it yet, so they had no details to offer.
Someone putting the cart before the horse?
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Sounds good, thanks.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:50 pmIt was posted on their Facebook page. I'll see if I can find it later tonight.Mormon 8 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:40 pmCan you provide a link to the statement issued by Orem City? This is hilarious if true.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:44 amDidn't see this on here.
Saturday night, during the women's session, they announced a new temple to be built in Orem Utah. This was very braking news. So new that the City of Orem put out a statement that they had no idea that one was in the works and not been contacted about it yet, so they had no details to offer.
Someone putting the cart before the horse?
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Looks like it was on their Redit page:
https://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaint ... ew_temple/
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And it will come back and bite em in the butt......mark my words. If the Lord is saying to them build so many temples all over and they are skipping some, what does that tell the membership about how important the Lord's work actually is?Not Buying It wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:01 amThe main purpose of announcing temples is to energize the membership. It's kind of like a high school pep rally in that respect. It's an "oh, isn't it amazing how the Church is growing" exercise. If some of them never get built, they still served their purpose.
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This sums it up.
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Next years announcements:
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The moon
Hobbiton
A second one in Russia
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The moon
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A second one in Russia
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According to https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/construction/
There are:
14 Under Construction • 9 Under Renovation • 37 Announced
So they have announced 37 new temples that have yet to break ground...
There are:
14 Under Construction • 9 Under Renovation • 37 Announced
So they have announced 37 new temples that have yet to break ground...
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Here's my question... each temple costs an average of about $150 million... 150 times 37 = $5.6 billion... why would this real estate corporation masquerading as a religion drop almost $6 billion for 37 temples so members of a trademark can go and practice Freemasonry? Could they be willing to cough up that much money just to keep the charade going, members believing and the government from ever taxing them?
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Especially with the temples in the Mormon heavy area, I wonder how much of the decision to put them in is less about meeting member needs, but more about either a cushy construction gig for a certain company with backhanded ties to LDSInc. or as 'gift' to certain members in the area who then get into real estate speculation.
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