Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

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Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by FiveFingerMnemonic » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Sister Jones just spoke of her mother being sick for christmas and all the family desperately praying for a healing miracle which didn't happen. Do these people hear themselves?!? Has the day of miracles ceased?

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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by consiglieri » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:24 pm

Looks like the Grinch makes a special appearance!

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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by moksha » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:15 am

Part of the gospel of lowered expectations. The really promising stuff will be left to getting a planet and wives in the Celestial Kingdom.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by Just This Guy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:16 am

moksha wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:15 am
Part of the gospel of lowered expectations. The really promising stuff will be left to getting a planet and wives in the Celestial Kingdom.

Then comes the disappointment when you realize that due to a translation error you get a plant on Kolob. Usually a shrub.
"The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams

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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by moksha » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:27 am

Just This Guy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:16 am
Then comes the disappointment when you realize that due to a translation error you get a plant on Kolob. Usually a shrub.
Hoard of Angry Sister-Wives: "You promised us a planet, not this shrub!!!"
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by Random » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:01 pm

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:29 pm
Sister Jones just spoke of her mother being sick for christmas and all the family desperately praying for a healing miracle which didn't happen.
I think it strange to publicly recount such a thing. The faith-promoting thing would be only to recount stories where the miracle happened. But, then, I guess that "Do you have faith not to be healed?" thing has gained traction among the believers.

Do you have faith to believe in a God who is not a God of miracles? A God who loves you conditionally? A God who wants you to stay a respectful distance? I say, do you believe in this Great Being?

and when someone protests that that kind of God makes no sense -

But that is the beauty of it!

(I have in my mind the image and voice of the preacher from a pre-1990 temple film - the man who played Uncle Ben in the LDS movie by the same name decades ago.)
There are 2 Gods. One who created us. The other you created. The God you made up is just like you-thrives on flattery-makes you live in fear.

Believe in the God who created us. And the God you created should be abolished.
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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by 2bizE » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:10 pm

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:29 pm
Sister Jones just spoke of her mother being sick for christmas and all the family desperately praying for a healing miracle which didn't happen. Do these people hear themselves?!? Has the day of miracles ceased?
No, they have faith not to have their prayers answered.
~2bizE

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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by Brent » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:39 am

The Church's miracle problem:

The Internet allows for verification.

There can be no modern miracles because you have to PROVE it.

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Re: Christmas devotional more miracle downplaying

Post by Arcturus » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:15 am

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:29 pm
Sister Jones just spoke of her mother being sick for christmas and all the family desperately praying for a healing miracle which didn't happen. Do these people hear themselves?!? Has the day of miracles ceased?
Moroni 7:37 – ...it is by faith that miracles are wrought; ... wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the [COJCOLDS], for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain.
Looks like Mormonism is guilty by their own measures. There is a lot of vanity in Utah...
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