What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

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What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Not Buying It » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:40 am

Have any of you seen this video where Sister Bednar almost stands up before her eminently honorable husband at the end of a worldwide devotional, almost creating a serious breach of apostolic protocol? And what kind of a jerk expects everyone in the whole room to just sit and wait while he chats up the young lady next to him? What a pompous, self-important Pharisee. Watch the video - everyone in the room just sits and waits for him to get up. Is this what Christ was about? How can this man claim to represent Christ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPBsWbo ... u2nMgoPdBQ
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Apologeticsislying » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:53 am

Show properly respect for MY authoritah!!! I'm going to caricature the hell out of this self righteous chump.
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by 2bizE » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:35 pm

I don’t allow anyone to stand up after dinner or from family prayer until I do. Isn’t that what all patriarchs in the home do? You make it sound like a bad thing.... :D
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Red Ryder » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:18 pm

Apologeticsislying wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:53 am
Show properly respect for MY authoritah!!! I'm going to caricature the hell out of this self righteous chump.
Can’t wait.
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Hagoth » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:32 pm

I bet Family Home Evening in the Bednar home is a whole lotta fun.
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Anon70 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:12 pm

Didn’t he also revoke an apostolic blessing for people standing and *gasp* visiting in the chapel after one of his speeches? The arrogance is strong in this one.

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Post by Apologeticsislying » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:36 pm

Anon70 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:12 pm
Didn’t he also revoke an apostolic blessing for people standing and *gasp* visiting in the chapel after one of his speeches? The arrogance is strong in this one.
He revoked a blessing for THAT?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Man I would HATE to be the humans in HIS universe when he makes his own.......
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by moksha » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:36 am

Apologeticsislying wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:53 am
Show properly respect for MY authoritah!!!
David Bednar vs Eric Cartman. Which one would you choose to worship? Don't think Eric would get hung up on who stands first. BTW, what is with the Church for allowing such a royal protocol?
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Not Buying It » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:39 am

Apologeticsislying wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:36 pm
Anon70 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:12 pm
Didn’t he also revoke an apostolic blessing for people standing and *gasp* visiting in the chapel after one of his speeches? The arrogance is strong in this one.
He revoked a blessing for THAT?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Man I would HATE to be the humans in HIS universe when he makes his own.......
Yeah, that happened, back in 2012 at a meeting in St. Louis, I remember discussing it on the old board. When he was president of BYU-I he used to have students at devotionals hold up their scriptures in this cringy way that was reminiscent of the Nazi salute. The guy’s a real weirdo, and he’s in a position where he never gets feedback so he can course correct, so he’s just going to get weirder as the years go by. Then he becomes President of the Church because he is younger than most of the others. Fun times ahead!

P.S. If you really want to see how weird he is, watch him manhandle this emotional young kid while teaching about “The Lord’s Side of the Line”. Creeps me out whenever I see it: http://seek.deseretbook.com/lord-s-side-line/i. There’s some full body contact with the young man I consider inappropriate starting at 3:25, and everyone in the audience just sits and laughs. It is uncomfortable, creepy, and the best example I know of showing what a weirdo the guy is.
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Mormorrisey » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:35 pm

That's a great video. It's clear that Bednar catches his wife nearly standing out of the corner of his eye, and it seems to me that he deliberately waits a little bit to teach a lesson. Jonathan Streeter has an even more interesting one on his Thinker of Thoughts youtube channel, with Elder Stevenson in Madagascar. It's hilarious, especially for the golf voice commentary he does:

https://youtu.be/NG9k7i-JOuw

Where did this standing thing for apostles come from, anyway? I've never quite understood it, or why it's important to do. It seems to be one of Packer's unwritten order of things, right out of the Pharisee playbook.
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Post by MoPag » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:06 am

Not Buying It wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:39 am
When he was president of BYU-I he used to have students at devotionals hold up their scriptures in this cringy way that was reminiscent of the Nazi salute. The guy’s a real weirdo, and he’s in a position where he never gets feedback so he can course correct, so he’s just going to get weirder as the years go by. Then he becomes President of the Church because he is younger than most of the others. Fun times ahead!
Oh I did this when I was at BYU-I. We all did. We had to. That's the world we lived in when he was in charge.

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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by 1smartdodog » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:38 pm

What kind of jerk? A real jerk.


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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by blazerb » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:08 am

Mormorrisey wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:35 pm
That's a great video. It's clear that Bednar catches his wife nearly standing out of the corner of his eye, and it seems to me that he deliberately waits a little bit to teach a lesson. Jonathan Streeter has an even more interesting one on his Thinker of Thoughts youtube channel, with Elder Stevenson in Madagascar. It's hilarious, especially for the golf voice commentary he does:

https://youtu.be/NG9k7i-JOuw

Where did this standing thing for apostles come from, anyway? I've never quite understood it, or why it's important to do. It seems to be one of Packer's unwritten order of things, right out of the Pharisee playbook.
Both of these videos are great. When you tell everyone that you have authority but you don't have any real power backing it up, it's important to institute dominance rituals to assert that authority.

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Post by Random » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:59 pm

Sometimes (not often, because I'm leaving the Church behind more and more) it's fun to daydream being in a meeting where Bednar is up on the stand. I'm sitting in the last row of comfy benches (you know, the one with the aisle right in front of it), in the center. As soon as the meeting ends, I get up and leave before Bednar has a chance to decide to stand. I don't rush out. I just get up immediately after the prayer and walk out like it's perfectly normal.

Man, I wish twenty or a hundred people would do that at every meeting he was on the stand for (and the bigger the meeting, the more who would stand and leave because the meeting was over, not caring a bit whether this man had decided to stand up or not).
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Re: What kind of jerk makes everyone in the room wait for him to stand? Elder Bednar, apparently.

Post by Hagoth » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:46 pm

Not Buying It wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:39 am
P.S. If you really want to see how weird he is, watch him manhandle this emotional young kid while teaching about “The Lord’s Side of the Line”. Creeps me out whenever I see it: http://seek.deseretbook.com/lord-s-side-line/i. There’s some full body contact with the young man I consider inappropriate starting at 3:25, and everyone in the audience just sits and laughs. It is uncomfortable, creepy, and the best example I know of showing what a weirdo the guy is.
That poor kid is doing his best to hold back the tears. The other problem with this video is that it teaches a very counterproductive lesson. If you sin the Devil takes full control of you and there's no chance of redemption. I hope that kid figured things out and is now living a life free of Bednarism.
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