Reuben wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:50 pm
Hagoth wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:25 pm
Humility is another word that has been redefined within Mormonism. You are taught to always be humble, but think about how you are expected to act when sitting on an airplane next to someone of another religion, compared to how you should act sitting in front of the bishop's desk. In the first instance you are expected to be bold and self-sure with no hesitance in telling the other person that they are wrong and you are right. In the second instance you are expected to bow your head and submit to any request or demand without question.
This is one reason it's so hard to detect in yourself. You're supposed to be humble about yourself, so you feel humble, but you're supposed to be arrogant on behalf of the church.
(Another reason is that it feels good, right and safe, so you need someone external to point it out. But if your whole world is built on it, why would you listen? Better to shoot the messenger.)
It doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone in Mormonism that many - maybe most - of the examples of pride in scripture depict this collective pride rather than personal pride. Pharisees: "We
have Abraham as our
father." Zoramites: "We
believe that thou hast elected us
These are some great observation Reuben and Hagoth. I never quite noticed the clear selectiveness with which humility is applied or felt by members.
My mission was known for having a culture of unabashedly calling people, and even the members, to repentance. Words like boldness and zeal were drilled into us as missionaries, and figures like Samual the Laminate were idolized. This was particularly the case when I first got into the mission field.
We got a new MP shortly after I god out out there and he would spend his first 2 years trying to undo this mission culture. But the local Stake Presidents really hated my first Mission Pres. because he pretty much treated the members like feeble fence sitters who lacked faith and were too concerned with how they'd look to help the missionaries, and would say it to their face in Stake Conference. Local leadership saw the missionaries as wrecking havoc by being number focused and leaving the local wards and branches with scores of unconverted inactive new members.
In short many missionaries were treating the member in-group like how members view non-members and it was very off putting to them.
I remember challenging Bro. Mckneely during a dinner appointment to approach all his neighbors by our next visit. When he mentioned they had given all of them a BoM and invited them to church about 6 months ago we insisted that he approach again. He said,"well you know Elders I have to live by these people everyday, their kids are friends with my kids and they know what i believe and that I'm happy to answer any questions." Essentially a big hey I'm not going to endlessly harass my neighbors to make you assholes happy. If they are interested they will let me know.
We were appalled my his weakness and lack of commitment to share the gospel, and Bro. McKneely became a longstanding joke between my companion and my self for a decade to come, until one day my old comp (now one of my best friends) said he actually thought Bro. McKneely was right.
One of the first signs he had become a NOM and was on his way out. I would be about 2 years behind him.