Lucidity wrote: ↑
Tue May 18, 2021 9:00 am
I doubt these would be significant concerns for a person experiencing a NDE. If NDE have anything in common with powerful trips using entheogens such as psilocybin, Mescaline, DMT etc, and there is evidence that they do, then applying our normal reasoning, logic, and the laws of nature as we understand them would feel rather silly to someone who has had a profound, life changing experience.
I’ve never had a NDE. But I’ve had experiences on psychedelics that make my normal waking life and my regular ability to perceive and understand the world seem like a cheap feeble imitation in comparison. Experiences that make normal life feel like a cartoon animation while the other is like watching Planet Earth in 5k. In these states or “realms” you don’t need to see or hear to know. You know by some stronger deeper way that doesn’t map onto normal waking life.
Now those experiences were are all just taking place in my mind. But then again so is normal life.
I can't say if NDEs are the proof of life after death. From my own multitude of personal experiences I don't believe they are. I've also seen the fine amazing detail of the realms that Lucidity talks about, making reality literally look and feel like a lower resolution TV show. I see where the psychonaught hippies come up with their descriptions of these experiences. There's some overlap, but most are very individualist and very hard to describe. Indeed it often feels like there are just not human words or language to describe it; it completely transcends what we have defined as reality. It does, in most cases, provide a feeling of assurance that existence is good and the cosmic energy that makes all this happen is basically just love. Yes, that's right, love. Not all the human and religious messiness we've given that word, but it's purest form of existence. To me this definition of love is more a state of matter than human description. It's a pure form of energy in the universe where there is no longer any emotional state or care. But what I don't know is if my unique consciousness is preserved in anyway in this post death state. I would say it does not, because my mind and experiences come with a lot of human emotional states: pain, stress, fear, sadness, anger, moral judgement, etc. I think we leave all that behind. But the mormon plan says we keep all of that in the next life, so choose wisely. That's why it's easier to have someone hand you all the answers.
These psychedelic journeys are often hard, they really work your brain to the point of exhaustion; it's why I don't venture in very often. I don't trust people who come out of these experiences (NDE or psychedelic), who say they have answers for everyone else. Run away from those people. I often go down these rabbit holes of the evolution of the universe, life here and if there is any purpose to the whole thing. At the end of all of them I walk away with this acronym, every time: IDKSAF. If I ever come here and say "I took this trip last weekend, I have figured it out." Please put the smack down on me and tell me I'm full of $hit.
To me, right now, my dominant opinion on NDE is just a chemical reaction in the brain as it shuts down. But I reserved 5-10% of my beliefs that there is something else, some energy, maybe an intelligence, IDK. I don't trust anyone who says they do know. This is the trap of our Sapient brains, trying to fill all the knowledge gaps, even it's with bullshit! I have also experienced the ESP moments, but not too many metaphysical ones (just a few). When they occur it feels like the cosmos is Fing with me; giving me just enough to make me not go completely atheist but also enough factual evidence to keep me feeling like I'm probably right that it's not a thing.
I also see the crossover to the psychedelic's and the religionists experiences in many cases. In most cases, if you give a true believing person these substances, and they want to talk to God or Jesus or an angel, they will. There's evidence to suggest that these early church history "spiritual" experiences could be linked to psychoactive substances and alcohol. Mind set and physical setting are the two most important ingredients in psychedelic experience, as well as the religious one!