Pep talk or Prophecy?

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Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by deacon blues » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:24 am

It seems certain that sometime during the dangerous days of 1838 in Far West, Missouri, Joseph Smith used definite phrases like "angels will be fighting with us" and/or "one Saint will put a thousand Missourians to flight." We can read in D&C 84 that Joseph did say a temple would be built in Jackson County "in this generation." I have heard it said by an apologist that D&C 84, and similar statements were not prophesying, but merely announcing a goal. :shock:
I'm wondering if Joseph Smith used these kind of phrases as motivation, like like a football coach would use hyperbole in a pep talk at halftime. Of course Joseph should have known that many, perhaps most of his followers would interpret his "pep talks" as prophecy. After all he purported himself to be a prophet. :?
Nowadays a prophet can promise vague, indefinite blessings to his followers who support his admonitions to use a particular name for the Church, but to me, it could be also dismissed as a pep talk- no harm done, right? :roll:
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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by MoPag » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:58 pm

Great. Now we have to figure out if he's speaking as a prophet or a man AND also if it's a prophecy or a goal. :lol:
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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by blazerb » Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:55 pm

I remember McConkie's explanation of the prophecy. There was probably a young couple with a new baby, maybe the husband was only 16 or 17. Then, when he was much older he took a young polygamous wife. This marriage might have had a child in the 20 century. That child could live well into the 21st century.

I feel pretty confident that this scenario is no longer a possibility. JS said things to keep his followers excited about following him. The current leadership tries to ignore it. They say things to guilt people into following them. Both strategies are nonsense.

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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by Palerider » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:09 pm

blazerb wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:55 pm
JS said things to keep his followers excited about following him. The current leadership tries to ignore it. They say things to guilt people into following them. Both strategies are corrupt.
Ohhh.....there.....that feels much better.
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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by blazerb » Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:46 am

Palerider wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:09 pm
blazerb wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:55 pm
JS said things to keep his followers excited about following him. The current leadership tries to ignore it. They say things to guilt people into following them. Both strategies are corrupt.
Ohhh.....there.....that feels much better.
Oh yeah.

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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by deacon blues » Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:17 pm

MoPag wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:58 pm
Great. Now we have to figure out if he's speaking as a prophet or a man AND also if it's a prophecy or a goal. :lol:
Yeah, I tend to muddy the waters, rather than clarify things. :?
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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by 2bizE » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:38 am

There are no clear waters in Mormonism
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Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

Post by Hagoth » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:53 am

2bizE wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:38 am
There are no clear waters in Mormonism
That's why it's so easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. The water's so murky you can't tell if there's even a baby in there.
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