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Saturday Sabbath

Post by Bonfire » Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:55 am

In my recent reading of the Bible clearly the date for rest and worship of higher intelligence is the last day of the week: Saturday.

Why do Christians, both Catholic and Mormons, worship on Sunday the first day?
Is there some occult reason why those who claim to love God, life, and the universe would worship on the first day of the week, the day of the Sun, instead of on the last day?

If we were willing to sacrifice Christ, the son of God, then is his sacrifice enough to never need lose another son (or daughter) again?
Or do modern religious folks simply give praise on Sunday, taking sacraments and communions together, recognizing the sacrifice of the savior and the prince of peace, while encouragin their sons to sign up for military service and prepare for a life of self-sacrifice?

What differences are there between cults of human sacrifice and modern day sunday-worshipping christians?

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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by wtfluff » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:57 am

Bonfire wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:55 am
Why do Christians, both Catholic and Mormons, worship on Sunday the first day?
I was taught in MORmONism that MORmONs worship on Sunday because Jesus was supposedly resurrected on Sunday. MORmONs celebrate the "Day of the Lord" weekly, not the traditional/biblical "Sabbath/seventh day."

Of course Jews and Seventh Day Adventists (and probably other groups) will say that all the "first day" worshipers are doing it wrong...
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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by moksha » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:07 am

The Emperor Constantine wishing to cut down on missed days of work, made Christians observe the religious worship day of Mithra which was Sunday. The Jews still have their observance from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by Bonfire » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:44 pm

The apologetics I have read include worship on Saturday includes cleaning the church and taking care of housekeeping as respect to God. However, this seem to directly contradict the idea of a "day of rest."

On that note, I'm heading out to the wilderness to worship and encourage you to do the same.

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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by hmb » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:18 am

Bonfire wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:44 pm
The apologetics I have read include worship on Saturday includes cleaning the church and taking care of housekeeping as respect to God. However, this seem to directly contradict the idea of a "day of rest."

On that note, I'm heading out to the wilderness to worship and encourage you to do the same.
“Saturday is a special day,
It’s the day we get ready for Sunday;
We clean the house and we shop at the store,
so we won’t have to work until Monday;
We brush our clothes and we shine our shoes,
And we call it our “get-the-work-done” day;
Then we trim our nails and we shampoo our hair,
so we can be ready for Sunday!”

I think someone needs to create a change or addition to this song, about taking your turn to clean the church building/temple. It could be about completely wrecking Saturdays and losing your "fun day." BTW, how is a dingy looking church (cleaned badly) showing respect to God or anyone? The buildings I've been in (and I admit to not visiting many buildings) feel icky, like a house that's vacuumed and dusted, but not cleaned.

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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by dogbite » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:53 pm

When the week starts and ends is entirely arbitrary and is simply a cultural artifact. In Europe for example, all the calendars start on Monday making Sunday the 7th day. My preference is to start the week on Monday and so I set my electronic calendars to work that way. It's a pretty standard feature of the calendar to allow you to pick the start of the week.

And what basis is there to think that we've had a consistent counting of days since Adam was placed in the garden?

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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by 2bizE » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:15 pm

The sabbath represents the seventh day when god rested. It is Shabbat, and the calendar named the seventh day after Shabbat: in English it is Saturday. Christians, including Mormons, stole the name and practice from Jews and moved it to Sunday, probably just to piss them off.
Suppose in a village there are beef producers and fishermen. One day, the fishermen start calling beef fish. Over the centuries, the fisherman keep referring to beef as fish. The beef producers never changed, and keep calling it beef. Over time, the fishermen have no idea why they call beef fish, but think it must be the correct way because surely the early fishermen had to be correct….
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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by moksha » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:33 am

History Avian wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:07 am
Emperor Constantine wishing to cut down on missed days of work, made Christians observe the religious worship day of Mithra which was Sunday. The Jews still have their observance from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
Once you get started in a habit it is hard to break, so much so that the original "day of rest" becomes discarded. You even have rationalizations as to why this is so. The Seventh-Day Adventists have been able to restore this practice in their worship, but for modern religionists this day of Mithra is sufficient.

The Church supported the Emperor on this point in the First Council of Nicaea and even supported the separation of Easter from the Jewish Passover.

This enmity for things Jewish grew over the years until now Marjorie Taylor Greene has Jewish space lasers starting forest fires in California and Mormons have replaced the Jews as God's most beloved chosen people.
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Re: Saturday Sabbath

Post by Just This Guy » Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:40 am

Bonfire wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:55 am
Why do Christians, both Catholic and Mormons, worship on Sunday the first day?
How do you define the first day of the week? Form a business view, the first day of the week is Monday because that is that first day of operations in a 7 day period. The last day of the week is Sunday. That is the definition that works for them.

To a Jew, the week is Saturday to Friday. That is the definition that works for them.

Really, the week is arbitrary. There is nothing that stops a person or a group from creating their own week to fit their needs.

A while back, I read that originally Christianity followed the Jewish calendar of a Friday Sabbath. That quickly evolved to the Sabbath being on Sunday as that was the day that Jesus rose from the grave. So Christianity changed to a Monday to Sunday week. A few centuries Later, a pope decided to move the calendar to put the Sabbath as the 1st day in a week since to him it was the most important day of the week. That is what has survived to today.

There really is nothing in the Bible that says that sabbath shall be on a "Sunday". There is nothing that says the sabbath shall not be on a Wednesday. That is something that evolved over time. The B8ible says that the one day in 7 is the Sabbath. From there is is a purely made up human construct of how the calendar defines what a week is. It changes based on various needs.

On a related note, names of the days of the week come from old English gods that were worshiped centuries ago.
Sunday comes from Old English “Sunnandæg," which is derived from a Germanic interpretation of the Latin dies solis, "sun's day." Germanic and Norse mythology personify the sun as a goddess named Sunna or Sól.

Monday likewise comes from Old English “Mōnandæg,” named after Máni, the Norse personification of the moon (and Sól's brother).

Tuesday comes from Old English “Tīwesdæg,” after Tiw, or Tyr, a one-handed Norse god of dueling. He is equated with Mars, the Roman war god.

Wednesday
is "Wōden's day." Wōden, or Odin, was the ruler of the Norse gods' realm and associated with wisdom, magic, victory and death. The Romans connected Wōden to Mercury because they were both guides of souls after death. “Wednesday” comes from Old English “Wōdnesdæg.”

Thursday
, "Thor's day," gets its English name after the hammer-wielding Norse god of thunder, strength and protection. The Roman god Jupiter, as well as being the king of gods, was the god of the sky and thunder. “Thursday” comes from Old English “Þūnresdæg.”

Friday is named after the wife of Odin. Some scholars say her name was Frigg; others say it was Freya; other scholars say Frigg and Freya were two separate goddesses. Whatever her name, she was often associated with Venus, the Roman goddess of love, beauty and fertility. “Friday” comes from Old English “Frīgedæg.”

As for Saturday, Germanic and Norse traditions didn’t assign any of their gods to this day of the week. They retained the Roman name instead. The English word “Saturday” comes from the Anglo-Saxon word “Sæturnesdæg,” which translates to “Saturn’s day.”
https://www.livescience.com/45432-days-of-the-week.html
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