In tune with Satan?

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In tune with Satan?

Post by Hagoth » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:42 am

Here is something that has really become obvious to me since my disaffection. The church seems to be more in tune with Satan than with God. I'm not talking about either as a genuine entity, just as a concept. Sometimes I get the feeling they respect Satan more. He certainly seems to always get stuff done with great efficiency, while God is always struggling just to get people to do the simplest things, and to communicate his thoughts to humans. Satan thwarts him on every turn.

When the church, and teachers within the church, talks about what God wants, they are typically speaking in general terms about what the church and/or its leaders want. But when they talk about Satan they are talking about the actions and desires of a specific being.

I was overhearing Mrs. Hagoth's Zoom Sunday school and I kept hearing over and over again comments from the teacher and students like, "what Satan wants you to do is...," "Satan is thinking...," "Satan's goal is...." I have heard the same kind of thing in many talks by GAs. They sure seem to know exactly what Satan is doing and thinking in details that they cannot achieve with their supposed communications with God.

I'll just add that if you read any specific proclamation from LDS scripture to a random member and ask them whose talking, Jehovah/Jesus or Elohim, there's a very high probability they will get it wrong, and they will often have difficulty telling you whether those words should actually be taken seriously(e.g. slavery in the Bible). But they seem to know precise details about all aspects of Satan's plans, intentions, and behaviors.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by dogbite » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:51 am

If Satan were god, would it look any different? Good is what I say it is, evil is what I say it is; you can't know without my telling you. Do as I say to be saved. Do it my way. This is what you must do or be punished, shamed, exiled. People who think and behave differently are wrong and you should avoid them. doubt your doubt about me.

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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Hagoth » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:00 pm

dogbite wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:51 am
If Satan were god, would it look any different? Good is what I say it is, evil is what I say it is; you can't know without my telling you. Do as I say to be saved. Do it my way. This is what you must do or be punished, shamed, exiled. People who think and behave differently are wrong and you should avoid them. doubt your doubt about me.
Like if Satan told you to bash a baby's head against a rock, that would be very, very bad. But when God tells you to bash a baby's head against a rock (e.g. Psalms 137:9, Hosea 13:6, 1 Samuel 15:3) because his parents pray to someone else, it's smiley faces all around.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by RubinHighlander » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:03 am

Satan must get equal or even greater ground to God for TSCC to keep the minions in a correlated check. TSCC constantly reinforces obedience, compliance, guilt, fear, defining "love" and "sex" for everyone, what the "spirit" is and how it feels, telling you how you should feel in every aspect of your life. Seems God is quite soft on his tender mercies. From my observations and experience, most saints experience very few miracles, beyond a typical human experience of probabilistic good and bad days. So they are told to be humble and thank their white man god for the simple act of just breathing. Keep the treadmill running fast with some potential make believe treasure after death and the devil constantly nipping at your heels to keep you running. Level up, rack those freaky flier ass-kissing patriarchy miles until your 2nd anointing? Only a few will benefit from the billions of resources they've accumulated off the backs of the many. Doesn't leave the majority with much hope in this life.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by stealthbishop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:01 am

There's really nothing like having an adversary (real or imagined) for generating tribal cohesion. Human beings are tribal creatures and come from a tribal heritage. There are advantages and disadvantages of tribes. Satan took on his center stage role within apocalyptic Judaism. The historic John the Baptist and the historic Jesus were followers of this relatively new Judaic movement that evolved a new philosophy of human suffering that it was caused by the forces of evil with a Satan figure at the head. Christianity and therefore our LDS tradition are the inheritors of this philosophy whereas Rabbinic Judaism dismissed it a long time ago. But it has worked surprisingly well for a long time and obviously still works today. Lucky us (sarcastic tone)!
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Gatorbait » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:29 pm

But let's not forget, the thing that offends God most and is a victory for Satan is using, Mormon or LDS rather than the Church of cheese and rice and rattle day snakes.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Red Ryder » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:46 pm

Gatorbait wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:29 pm
But let's not forget, the thing that offends God most and is a victory for Satan is using, Mormon or LDS rather than the Church of cheese and rice and rattle day snakes.
I thought it was “the church of cheese and rice and worn out brakes…”

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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by deacon blues » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:24 am

When Joe Biden was running for V.P. I remember our Sunday School teacher, Sister Deznat, alerting us to his "Satanic Smile."
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by 1smartdodog » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:47 am

When I was A child Satan scared the s…t out of me. Nights I could not sleep wondering if he was under the bed. All from images church leaders put in my head. What a stupid concept to teach children


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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Hagoth » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:50 pm

1smartdodog wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:47 am
When I was A child Satan scared the s…t out of me. Nights I could not sleep wondering if he was under the bed. All from images church leaders put in my head. What a stupid concept to teach children
Boy, me too. Awake all night white-knuckling my blanket, terrified to be alone in a room. Always certain that the most terrifying monster imaginable was putting thoughts in my head and trying to lead me into traps with eternal consequences. And there was nothing anyone could do to make it less terrifying because it was coming from the only men who actually knew and talked to God.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Zeezrom » Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:38 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:50 pm
1smartdodog wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:47 am
When I was A child Satan scared the s…t out of me. Nights I could not sleep wondering if he was under the bed. All from images church leaders put in my head. What a stupid concept to teach children
Boy, me too. Awake all night white-knuckling my blanket, terrified to be alone in a room. Always certain that the most terrifying monster imaginable was putting thoughts in my head and trying to lead me into traps with eternal consequences. And there was nothing anyone could do to make it less terrifying because it was coming from the only men who actually knew and talked to God.
Satan being my constant tormentor was so real to me that in my early teens I actually believed that Satan had got in my head and was the one who taught me how to masturbate

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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Hagoth » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:05 pm

Zeezrom wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:38 pm
Satan being my constant tormentor was so real to me that in my early teens I actually believed that Satan had got in my head and was the one who taught me how to masturbate
It is his work and his glory to bring to pass the tension relief of awkward 14-year olds.
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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Cnsl1 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:46 am

Hagoth wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:05 pm
Zeezrom wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:38 pm
Satan being my constant tormentor was so real to me that in my early teens I actually believed that Satan had got in my head and was the one who taught me how to masturbate
It is his work and his glory to bring to pass the tension relief of awkward 14-year olds.
:lol:


Y'know, maybe it's possible that after the billions of teenage ejaculations and the millions of times we've used the word "Mormon", that Satan actually now has more victory points, and has used that power to take over the church.

What if... God had a pretty good lead though Monson, but then Rusty had to say that Satan gets victory points for us saying "Mormon", which caused Satan to slip out of the dark bedroom and say, "What's that again? Are you serious?!"

God probably was like, "C'mon, Rusty! Lucifer didn't know! WHY do you have to say everything that pops in your head at midnight!"

Yeah, I imagine God still calls Satan by his given name.

So now Satan doesn't even need to be the master manipulator of masturbatory messages anymore, since now he knows he gets points for "Mormon". He was probably also getting really bored tempting teenage boys, which never was very difficult in the first place. I mean, biology pretty much did it for him, right? But this might be why teenage boys are now more into video games than pocket porn, and why the church has kinda backed off on asking about it so much and started letting parents come to the masturbation interviews. Who cares now, right? Gotta load your defenses where they're scoring the most points.

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Re: In tune with Satan?

Post by Hagoth » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:57 am

The way church leaders talk about it, being Satan is the easiest job in the world when it comes to dealing with Mormons. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. People are flocking to do everything Satan wants them to do at the drop of a hat, but for God it's like pulling teeth to get people to feel inspired do his stuff. Satan employs human biology, logic, and fun to reel people in. God relies on boring old out-of-touch men saying the same illogical stuff over and over and over again. It seems like he didn't plan this thing very well.
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