Priesthood is just...

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Priesthood is just...

Post by Hagoth » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:26 pm

...folk magic without the magic rocks, dowsing rods, and ceremonial daggers.

Am I wrong?
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Re: Priesthood is just...

Post by wtfluff » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:35 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:26 pm
...folk magic without the magic rocks, dowsing rods, and ceremonial daggers.

Am I wrong?
You're not wrong. At least modern-day Priesthood Wizards still get to use Magick Oil.

It's also a "title" that tells you your place in the hierarchy of the Corporation™.
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Post by moksha » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:59 am

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:26 pm
...folk magic without the magic rocks, dowsing rods, and ceremonial daggers.

Am I wrong?
You're right about the ceremonial dagger, but there was an amulet of Jupiter and a white stove pipe hat for sorting notes and seer stones. If you follow the adventures of Dr. Daniel C. Peterson of BYU, you know that dowsing rods are still used by Church members. Chalk one up for the multifaceted nature of the LDS Priesthood.
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Post by Hagoth » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:20 am

And then there was Elder Uchtdorf telling us that iPhones are the new seer stones. I'm downloading the treasure finding app now.
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Post by jfro18 » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 am

You are 100% correct and I regret to inform you I will be stealing this idea for future references to the priesthood. What a simple, easy to understand way to frame what priesthood power actually is.

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Post by dogbite » Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:16 pm

Prayers are incantations. The blessing on the sacrament a ritual spell for holiness

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Post by 2bizE » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:30 pm

moksha wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:59 am
Hagoth wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:26 pm
...folk magic without the magic rocks, dowsing rods, and ceremonial daggers.

Am I wrong?
You're right about the ceremonial dagger, but there was an amulet of Jupiter and a white stove pipe hat for sorting notes and seer stones. If you follow the adventures of Dr. Daniel C. Peterson of BYU, you know that dowsing rods are still used by Church members. Chalk one up for the multifaceted nature of the LDS Priesthood.
I thought that was in Harry Potter…I guess it was Joe Smith instead.
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Post by deacon blues » Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:28 pm

jfro18 wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 am
You are 100% correct and I regret to inform you I will be stealing this idea for future references to the priesthood. What a simple, easy to understand way to frame what priesthood power actually is.
This is true, but a complete description might involve a description of the hierarchical nature of the priesthood also. It's like the Game of Tag, someone has to touch you to give it to you. ;)
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Post by moksha » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:48 pm

jfro18 wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 am
I regret to inform you I will be stealing this idea for future references to the priesthood.
Feel free to steal the concept of the priesthood antennae. Joseph's priesthood antennae was frequently rigid with all the messages he was getting from God, the Angel, and those women in Kirkland, Missouri, and Nauvoo.
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Post by glass shelf » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:44 am

deacon blues wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:28 pm
jfro18 wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 am
You are 100% correct and I regret to inform you I will be stealing this idea for future references to the priesthood. What a simple, easy to understand way to frame what priesthood power actually is.
This is true, but a complete description might involve a description of the hierarchical nature of the priesthood also. It's like the Game of Tag, someone has to touch you to give it to you. ;)
And some people aren't even eligible to play the game.

i think that there is a huge difference between the actual power of the priesthood (which your post describes perfectly) and the authority of the priesthood in the church which causes a lot of real harm to a lot of real people.

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Post by Hagoth » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 am

dogbite wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:16 pm
Prayers are incantations. The blessing on the sacrament a ritual spell for holiness
And if you doubt it, try changing just one syllable. The magic spell won't work.
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Post by Hagoth » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:30 am

glass shelf wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:44 am
i think that there is a huge difference between the actual power of the priesthood (which your post describes perfectly) and the authority of the priesthood in the church which causes a lot of real harm to a lot of real people.
That's a great point, Glass. You give people power they don't deserve by playing along with their pretense of magic.
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Post by Spicy McHaggis » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:20 am

I already know the answer to this question, but has anyone actually been "healed" by a PH blessing?

I have a friend who had a tumor on his pituitary gland. His treatment options were surgery or taking a medicine a few times a week to make the tumor shrink. He chose the medicine so he eats a pill a couple of times a week. He swears that the PH blessings his sons gave him saved his life.......while he still takes the pills. I mean his theory is testable but I don't want bring it up.

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Post by Hagoth » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:48 am

Spicy McHaggis wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:20 am
I already know the answer to this question, but has anyone actually been "healed" by a PH blessing?

I have a friend who had a tumor on his pituitary gland. His treatment options were surgery or taking a medicine a few times a week to make the tumor shrink. He chose the medicine so he eats a pill a couple of times a week. He swears that the PH blessings his sons gave him saved his life.......while he still takes the pills. I mean his theory is testable but I don't want bring it up.
When I was a kid it seemed like we were constantly hearing stories about amazing priesthood healings. There has been a lot advancement in medical techniques, imaging, communication, and record keeping since then and it seems like the miracle stories have become a lot less common. Now we even have apostles praising people with the faith to NOT be healed.

We also used to hear stories from the previous generations about people being raised from the dead. But those don't seem to happen anymore.

I still hear lesser healing stories, but they tend to fall into either the take-the-pill-but-credit-the-priesthood category or the priesthood-as-placebo category, kind of like what happens with other alternative medicines like homeopathy. My favorites are the stories that include paramedics, life-flight helicopters, teams of skilled surgeons and state-of-the-art hospitals, but the priesthood blessing still takes all the credit.
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Re: Priesthood is just...

Post by crazyhamster » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:06 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:20 am
And then there was Elder Uchtdorf telling us that iPhones are the new seer stones. I'm downloading the treasure finding app now.
To be fair, the translation app is pretty amazing. I went through the list though, and I can't find reformed Egyptian anywhere.

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Post by alas » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:45 pm

crazyhamster wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:06 pm
Hagoth wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:20 am
And then there was Elder Uchtdorf telling us that iPhones are the new seer stones. I'm downloading the treasure finding app now.
To be fair, the translation app is pretty amazing. I went through the list though, and I can't find reformed Egyptian anywhere.
It is good to see my favorite hamster around these parts.

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Post by Hermey » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:45 pm

100% folk magic.



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Post by crazyhamster » Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:23 am

alas wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:45 pm
crazyhamster wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:06 pm
Hagoth wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:20 am
And then there was Elder Uchtdorf telling us that iPhones are the new seer stones. I'm downloading the treasure finding app now.
To be fair, the translation app is pretty amazing. I went through the list though, and I can't find reformed Egyptian anywhere.
It is good to see my favorite hamster around these parts.
Thanks, Alas! Good to see some old familiar names around here.

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Post by Linked » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:40 pm

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Post by deacon blues » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:05 pm

Priesthood is just... relabeling. :? Just see the Support Section: "No More Tithing Settlement." :roll:
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