Pride works both ways.

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deacon blues
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Pride works both ways.

Post by deacon blues » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:49 pm

I've heard a dozen or more talks/lessons about how pride led people out of the Church. Has anyone considered how pride might keep people in the Church? On my mission it was a combination of pride and fear that kept me from confronting the criticisms of the Church. Sure some of them were false, but in my gut I knew some of them were true.
God is Love. God is Truth. The greatest problem with organized religion is that the organization becomes god, rather than a means of serving God.

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Re: Pride works both ways.

Post by Hagoth » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:38 pm

Yes. Many of us know someone who fancies themselves the "go to guy" in their ward for gospel/scripture/apologetics answers. It is a big part of their identity and they are very proud of the lofty position in which they imagine themselves. As a result, they are very derisive of alternative views, angry at people who question, and uncapable of putting themselves in a humble mindset where they might be vulnerable to ideas that might threaten their prowess.
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Re: Pride works both ways.

Post by Palerider » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:25 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:38 pm
Yes. Many of us know someone who fancies themselves the "go to guy" in their ward for gospel/scripture/apologetics answers. It is a big part of their identity and they are very proud of the lofty position in which they imagine themselves. As a result, they are very derisive of alternative views, angry at people who question, and uncapable of putting themselves in a humble mindset where they might be vulnerable to ideas that might threaten their prowess.
Ha!

You've just described my mother- and father-in-law. Scarey how self-righteous and condescending these people can be. And yet utterly convinced of their own correctness. It's actually embarrassing for my wife and yet she does love them inspite of their blind spot.

My own parents, who had their own faults as do we all, may not have been as "educated" but at least they were willing to learn.
"There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."

"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."

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Re: Pride works both ways.

Post by moksha » Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:04 pm

The reason Socrates was the wisest person in Athens was that he realized how little he knew, and was willing to ask questions to seek answers. He questioned the answers to understand all the ins and out of how the answer was formulated.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Re: Pride works both ways.

Post by blazerb » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:52 am

I think "Beware of Pride" has become a thought-stopping cliché in the church. It keeps people from considering the real problems and ignores the pride on the other side, as you note. No one can tell me that apostles are not prideful when they require the congregation to stand as they enter or leave the room. Somehow the rules don't apply to them.

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