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they also mean "don't burden the testimonial shelves of membership with truthful, uncorrelated stories." The narratives of the LDS church taught in Sunday School can not sustain the public scrutiny they so richly deserve on their bicentennial anniversaries. Shelf breaking will occur on the local level at a lower rate."... not place undo burdens on leaders and members."
It would be really fun to keep posting stuff as it happened 200 years later. The 2030's would be a riot.Brent wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:05 amPlus, where do you out Sister Alger in this timeline?
https://history.lds.org/timeline/tabula ... y?lang=eng
This is the first thing I thought about when I read that letter. I remember the amount of "commemorations" of the Hinckley years, it seemed we had a party for ANYTHING and everything. I remember thinking that Utah people would have a blast, but why did I care about celebrating the walk across the plains? Or for that matter, why do we need a temple in Winter Quarters? Is there any members or even non-members living in that place? I remember during the dedication that Hinckley himself mentioned what a dump the town was. If that's the case, why even waste the money to build a "historical" temple there?Corsair wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:24 amThis is a sharp contrast with the 200th birthday of Joseph Smith in 2005. Gordon Hinckley talked glowingly of talks, films, and other global church events on the life and ministry of Joseph Smith. I know of several people who had their testimonies damaged by the December "Smithmas" season. My own stake had stake conference in December and Joseph Smith got implicit top billing over Jesus Christ. Clearly some influential group at the top of the institutional church has a pragmatic testimony of LDS marketing.
I wouldn't get too excited. This is not the Church coming to terms with its past and working to become an honest organization. This is a memory hole operation, and a sign that the pendulum is going to start swinging away from transparency.Gatorbait wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:46 amMaybe some of the things that we'd hope to see changed in the church is actually taking place.
Think of the thousands of dollars spent each year on the parade in Salt Lake City on the 24th of July. Sure it is fun, but at what cost? Perhaps hundreds of thousands of hours from volunteers and money to build expensive floats that are used one time, and then for just a few hours.
Maybe the focus is going to shift towards using volunteers to do something useful. When that happens all benefit. Who knows? In any case, when something like this happens, the generation growing up with a focus centered on things that make a difference, in lieu of highlighting the 100th anniversary of something unimportant will be much better off. We all will. At least I think so.
Totally agree. Major celebrations at the 200 year mark just serve to highlight the fact that the prophesies remain largely unfulfilled. By letting them go by unnoticed it takes the emphasis off the past and its unsavoury and unfulfilled elements.foolmeonce wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:30 pmI wouldn't get too excited. This is not the Church coming to terms with its past and working to become an honest organization. This is a memory hole operation, and a sign that the pendulum is going to start swinging away from transparency.Gatorbait wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:46 amMaybe some of the things that we'd hope to see changed in the church is actually taking place.
Think of the thousands of dollars spent each year on the parade in Salt Lake City on the 24th of July. Sure it is fun, but at what cost? Perhaps hundreds of thousands of hours from volunteers and money to build expensive floats that are used one time, and then for just a few hours.
Maybe the focus is going to shift towards using volunteers to do something useful. When that happens all benefit. Who knows? In any case, when something like this happens, the generation growing up with a focus centered on things that make a difference, in lieu of highlighting the 100th anniversary of something unimportant will be much better off. We all will. At least I think so.
::Prove me wrong COB, prove me wrong::
As I understand it, it's not just talking about milestones in 2017, but milestones for 2017-2044. First vision, restoration of priesthood, organization of the church, BoM publication, etc. They are quashing all big 200 year anniversaries for the next 2 decades.
Golly, I'm sure glad that we have those three dudes who talk to Jesus all the time around to tell us now not important these milestones will be.Korihor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:03 pmAs I understand it, it's not just talking about milestones in 2017, but milestones for 2017-2044. First vision, restoration of priesthood, organization of the church, BoM publication, etc. They are quashing all big 200 year anniversaries for the next 2 decades.
I don't understand it to mean "no-one celebrates "nothing", but that the church doesn't institutionally celebrate anything. Local level can do as they wish, but if there is any backlash, the COB can say it wasn't officially sanctioned and employ plausible deniability.
My first thoughts turned to the Mormon Miracle Pageant in Manti, UT and the Hill Cumorah Pageant in NY and Easter Pageant in Mesa, AZ. These pageants are the epitome of these approaching 200-year anniversary celebrations and the church is turning away from it. Maybe the church should disband these celebrations as well???
And like Ground Hog Day, it could be slightly altered each time.Silver Girl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:00 pmAny celebration of the First Vision would start to resemble Ground Hog Day. Oops - we're going to celebrate it all over again! And again! And yet again!
