Keeping up with Trump

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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by moksha » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:12 am

I was listening to this Republican guy (former Chief of Staff at Homeland Security) say that the upcoming election is about the quality of character. That is why is against Trump and will vote for Biden. What he had to say about Trump was alarming and scary. Americans could be in for a rough ride after the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqhhrmhfCI
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by moksha » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:52 pm

What happens if Trump loses and refuses to leave office?
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by Apologeticsislying » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:47 pm

moksha wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:52 pm
What happens if Trump loses and refuses to leave office?
The Secret Service will escort him out as an intruder. He can't stay, he doesn't have the military behind him and Congress and the Senate dang sure won't let him remain. Sure he can make a stink still, just not in and from the White House.
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by SaidNobody » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:35 am

moksha wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:52 pm
What happens if Trump loses and refuses to leave office?
Just like from the beginning, people have to accept it or look like traitors. Winning elections gives him the right to occupy the office. Just like before, some people will have to get over it. Many of the left have defiled the idea of the "vote" by refusing to accept that he, thus his entire party, won.

I think he will leave when it is his time, but the fact that many never acknowledged him as the rightful president makes me want to return the favor. Just depends on if America is dead or not.

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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by Reuben » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:25 pm

Some folks have been researching the possible "President Trump won't step down" scenarios: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ont-leave/
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by moksha » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:04 am

Dallin Oaks wrote:“We live in a time of anger and hatred in political relationships and policies. We felt it this summer where some went beyond peaceful protests and engaged in destructive behavior,” he said. “We feel it in some current campaigns for public offices. Some of this has even spilled over into political statements and unkind references in our church meetings.”
I think this was Oak's way of reminding members to quit being "Buttheads for Trump". Also, he wanted the members of the Sanpete and Wayne County Militias to stay out of the armory supplies in their compounds if Trump loses the election and not rampage through the streets of Provo.
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by moksha » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:02 am

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Is this cosmic level irony?
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by Thoughtful » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:49 am

Interestingly, BYUs Frank Fox the creator of American Heritage 100 gen ed class that is basically republican indoctrination, and who is a self proclaimed conservative republican is coming out with videos and posts on why Trump's actions are reminiscent of dictators and very problematic for a democracy.

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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by alas » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 pm

SaidNobody wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:35 am
moksha wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:52 pm
What happens if Trump loses and refuses to leave office?
Just like from the beginning, people have to accept it or look like traitors. Winning elections gives him the right to occupy the office. Just like before, some people will have to get over it. Many of the left have defiled the idea of the "vote" by refusing to accept that he, thus his entire party, won.

I think he will leave when it is his time, but the fact that many never acknowledged him as the rightful president makes me want to return the favor. Just depends on if America is dead or not.
Oh, the Democrats did acknowledge him as the rightful president, but they recognized right from the start that he was corrupt, a rapist, and a wanna be dictator, so yeah they tried to get the a**hat out of office right from the beginning of January 2017. But there is BIG difference between recognizing him as duly elected and wishing it wasn’t so, maybe if the republicans had the morals of a snake.

And to think I USED to vote republican. Never again. If republicans can elect him, then “not my party.“

And I think he isn’t kidding about leaving the country if he loses. He is going to make a run for it before he gets arrested. It “embarrassment” at all, but him knowing there Is a case against him in NY.

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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by SaidNobody » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:04 pm

alas wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 pm

Oh, the Democrats did acknowledge him as the rightful president, but they recognized right from the start that he was corrupt, a rapist, and a wanna be dictator, so yeah they tried to get the a**hat out of office right from the beginning of January 2017. But there is BIG difference between recognizing him as duly elected and wishing it wasn’t so, maybe if the republicans had the morals of a snake.

And to think I USED to vote republican. Never again. If republicans can elect him, then “not my party.“

And I think he isn’t kidding about leaving the country if he loses. He is going to make a run for it before he gets arrested. It “embarrassment” at all, but him knowing there Is a case against him in NY.
It's amazing to me how "divergent" we can be on what is true. Like right now, Republicans are working through Hunter's laptop and one of his partners 26000 emails to prove that Trump was right, that Biden was selling favors as Vice-President. It's believable to me. I met Biden on the Clubhouse floor of the Ritz-Carlton in DC, fall of 2007. I was there for an FDA conference, and by some comedy of errors, ended up in the Clubhouse of the Ritz. Free drinks, snacks, hors d'oeuvres, and a waiter that bowed when you asked for something.

I was sitting in the lobby exercising my limited Arabic language skills, listening to a young shek and his friends, when Joe Biden showed up. He beginning talking about some deal, a "bridge to French, for $400M" or something. It sounded very much like something our government wouldn't have been involved in, and then when it started to sound shady, he invited them back to his suite. I intentionally never forgot, and when he because vice-president a year later, I had zero trust of him.

But I hear this all the time about Trump. But what crimes? What does NYC have against him? NYC has always hated Trump because he has always been able to get his way. He built TV and restored many of their ruined areas.

But like with the impeachment, they said they had a crime, but they couldn't put it in words. Now, evidence that he was right about Biden and Ukraine is coming out.

But, rape? Dictator? Corrupt? He is completely open about this work, gives his check to non-profit or government groups. He promotes freedom of speech, 2nd Amendment, allows people to lie about him, attack him, and frustrate him without breaking his boundaries.

I like Trump.
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by moksha » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:25 am

Republicans come loaded with stories manufactured in Russia. Americans can listen to the horrors that Trump has tweeted, admitted to in news interviews, or from genuine investigative reporting by American reporters. None of that unslick disinformation from foreign governments wanting to preserve their Kremlin Candidate.
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Re: Keeping up with Trump

Post by SaidNobody » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:50 am

moksha wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:25 am
Republicans come loaded with stories manufactured in Russia. Americans can listen to the horrors that Trump has tweeted, admitted to in news interviews, or from genuine investigative reporting by American reporters. None of that unslick disinformation from foreign governments wanting to preserve their Kremlin Candidate.
I hear what you are saying, but it's probably not what you meant to say.

I hear, "I don't like Trump. I never have. So when someone gave me a reason to reject him I jumped on it."

The evidence against Trump is so tainted, I would touch it with a hazmat suite. The FBI was caught, (actually caught) fabricating evidence against the Trump administration. They "intentionally" trapped Gen. Flynn. As it turns out, Gen Flynn was the rare Generals that Obama didn't like as Flynn sometimes out against times he didn't like.

Anyway, the EVIDENCE, I mean actual evidence that we are using Russian stories are the stories the Dems are using, and ironically, they aren't even sponsored by Russia. The Russian Dossier was created by a British agent, and brought, paid for, and distributed by the FBI and Hillary campaign.

It's a little sad though. I think Trump will win and Left will lose their minds, like they do at every chance they get.

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