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Please knock off the stupid ad hominems. Saying that I doubted the Evangelicals would support Al Capone in the 1930s is not disparaging them. If anything it is praise for following virtue rather than criminality. Capone was eventually brought to justice on RICO charges, the same that Trump is currently facing.Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:59 amMaybe you can help me out. Moksha doesn’t hate the people he doesn’t know but he disparages them and you think that is funny?
Oh, I see now. You are praising the Evangelicals of then and now. Is that it? You respect their choices now?moksha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:35 pmPlease knock off the stupid ad hominems. Saying that I doubted the Evangelicals would support Al Capone in the 1930s is not disparaging them. If anything it is praise for following virtue rather than criminality. Capone was eventually brought to justice on RICO charges, the same that Trump is currently facing.Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:59 amMaybe you can help me out. Moksha doesn’t hate the people he doesn’t know but he disparages them and you think that is funny?
I think it is probably a waste trying to talk with you. Deliberately misframing everything is more of a curse than an art.Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:08 pmOh, I see now. You are praising the Evangelicals of then and now. Is that it? You respect their choices now?
So you are not praising the Evangelicals? Maybe you could just explain what in the hell you are doing? Cuz, from where I sit, it sure looks like you are judging Evangelicals for something related to Trump. Not sure though - you aren't very clear about it.moksha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:57 pmI think it is probably a waste trying to talk with you. Deliberately misframing everything is more of a curse than an art.Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:08 pmOh, I see now. You are praising the Evangelicals of then and now. Is that it? You respect their choices now?
In his, Trump's, response to the $$$$$, he didn't mentioned Carroll. I wonder if this punishment will finally get him to lay off?moksha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:49 pmTrump has been ordered to pay $83 million for the defamation of E. Jean Carroll.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/jury-se ... n-07785bd5
Lay off of what?hmb wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:38 pmIn his, Trump's, response to the $$$$$, he didn't mentioned Carroll. I wonder if this punishment will finally get him to lay off?moksha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:49 pmTrump has been ordered to pay $83 million for the defamation of E. Jean Carroll.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/jury-se ... n-07785bd5
I really don't give two of anything for these people. But, if you are okay with this process, don't be to bugged by the consequences. This is bad. This is really, really, really bad. As bad as it gets, frankly. Justice, for all intents and purposes, is being destroyed by politicization.Alex Jones:
-Deplatformed
-Defaulted into liability verdict
-"Trial" only on quantum
-Prohibited from asserting innocence
-Restricted in what he could say in his own defense
Steve Bannon:
-Stripped of defenses by judge
Roger Stone:
-Gagged by judge
Donald Trump NY Fraud Case with Judge Engoron
-Deplatformed
-Gaged by judge
-Summary Judgment into liability verdict
-"Trial" only on quantum only
-Prohibited from asserting innocence
-Restricted in what he could say in his own defense
Donald Trump E. Jean Carroll Case with Judge Kaplan 2nd Case
-Deplatformed
-"Trial" only on quantum only
-Prohibited from asserting innocence
-Restricted in what he could say in his own defense
Call it communism, fascism, tyranny, kangaroo courts, banana republic, whatever...
THIS IS NOT AMERICA. WAKE UP BEFORE YOU LOSE YOUR COUNTRY FOREVER. IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE ALREADY.
And if you are ok with this, YOU ARE THE FASCIST.
Sorry. "Lay off" meant talking crap about E. Jean Carroll. The amount of money needed to be big enough to get Trump's attention. Shut-up or pay-up. Trump has not not talked negatively about her since the trial ended, yesterday. Maybe he finally learned something. Time will tell. That's what I was talking about.Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:51 pmLay off of what?hmb wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:38 pmIn his, Trump's, response to the $$$$$, he didn't mentioned Carroll. I wonder if this punishment will finally get him to lay off?moksha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:49 pmTrump has been ordered to pay $83 million for the defamation of E. Jean Carroll.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/jury-se ... n-07785bd5
If someone talks shit about Russell Nelson can he sue them for 83 million? What if Hagoth talks shit about me?hmb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:17 pmSorry. "Lay off" meant talking crap about E. Jean Carroll. The amount of money needed to be big enough to get Trump's attention. Shut-up or pay-up. Trump has not not talked negatively about her since the trial ended, yesterday. Maybe he finally learned something. Time will tell. That's what I was talking about.
What a ridiculous comparison. Trump was ordered by the court to stop defaming Carroll. He didn't. If you were ordered by a court to modify your behavior and didn't, what do you think would happen? If you live with a modest income, you would not be sued for millions. The fine has to hurt for it to be effective. Trump has billions (he has said so for years). He's already shown that $5 million didn't make him stop trashing her. So far, since the $83 million punishment, Trump has not spit out any written or verbal statements on Carroll. He could have avoided all this mess by listening to the court to keep his mouth shut. His actions...his choices..."Let the Consequence follow."Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:47 pmIf someone talks shit about Russell Nelson can he sue them for 83 million? What if Hagoth talks shit about me?hmb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:17 pmSorry. "Lay off" meant talking crap about E. Jean Carroll. The amount of money needed to be big enough to get Trump's attention. Shut-up or pay-up. Trump has not not talked negatively about her since the trial ended, yesterday. Maybe he finally learned something. Time will tell. That's what I was talking about.
You obviously dont need to answer. But damn. If talking shit is worth a nickel or 83 million, I am both rich and broke.
Using the justice system to gag and punish political foes has consequences. But hey, Orange man bad so who cares if what that @$&@ said is true and who cares if the judge, financier and counsel were in cahoots?hmb wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:24 amWhat a ridiculous comparison. Trump was ordered by the court to stop defaming Carroll. He didn't. If you were ordered by a court to modify your behavior and didn't, what do you think would happen? If you live with a modest income, you would not be sued for millions. The fine has to hurt for it to be effective. Trump has billions (he has said so for years). He's already shown that $5 million didn't make him stop trashing her. So far, since the $83 million punishment, Trump has not spit out any written or verbal statements on Carroll. He could have avoided all this mess by listening to the court to keep his mouth shut. His actions...his choices..."Let the Consequence follow."Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:47 pmIf someone talks shit about Russell Nelson can he sue them for 83 million? What if Hagoth talks shit about me?hmb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:17 pm
Sorry. "Lay off" meant talking crap about E. Jean Carroll. The amount of money needed to be big enough to get Trump's attention. Shut-up or pay-up. Trump has not not talked negatively about her since the trial ended, yesterday. Maybe he finally learned something. Time will tell. That's what I was talking about.
You obviously dont need to answer. But damn. If talking shit is worth a nickel or 83 million, I am both rich and broke.
This is a true statement!!Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:41 amThe process matters, even for people you and I don’t like.
“We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count.”
oh my gosh.moksha wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:00 amThe Federal Appeals Court rejected Trump's claim of absolute immunity.
“We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count.”
An unprincipled tyrant who will make the trains run on time or else.Dirty Bird wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:32 amI like Trump because he's a huge Mother fxxxin asshole! I like Trump because he doesn't care about Marxist feelings or the Marxist agenda.
People hate it when the trains crash and their kids die. Being late is also an inconvenience.moksha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:19 pmAn unprincipled tyrant who will make the trains run on time or else.Dirty Bird wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:32 amI like Trump because he's a huge Mother fxxxin asshole! I like Trump because he doesn't care about Marxist feelings or the Marxist agenda.