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Both are willing to overlook the faults of their martyrs to use them for the greater cause.

Both will lay the sins of the parents on the children (earlier generations sins being laid on the children, IE you should feel guilt your parents were gay or polygamist)

Both effectively take advantage of propaganda to influence the masses.

Both use coded language to determine who is an acceptable member (in vs out group).

Members of both movements are easily outraged when any part of their world view is challenged.

Both believe that an impending apocolypse and overthrow of the current society is a good thing that will bring more good.

Every point except the last describes political ideologues and religious fundamentalists of every kind.

It's obvious when "they" act that way, but almost invisible when "we" do. If someone had accused me of acting that way when I believed, I would have said they were nuts.

That description also very accurately describes movements in opposition to social justice.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:52 am

Both are willing to overlook the faults of their martyrs to use them for the greater cause.

Both will lay the sins of the parents on the children (earlier generations sins being laid on the children, IE you should feel guilt your parents were gay or polygamist)

Both effectively take advantage of propaganda to influence the masses.

Both use coded language to determine who is an acceptable member (in vs out group).

Members of both movements are easily outraged when any part of their world view is challenged.

Both believe that an impending apocolypse and overthrow of the current society is a good thing that will bring more good.

One word, obedience, sums up both the liberal social justice movement and the primary objective of the Mormon church. The liberal social justice groups contend that a good society cannot exist until all groups are treated equally around the world, while the Mormon church considers spreading the gospel to every corner of the globe to be one of its primary missions. One could argue that most Mormons evaluate non-Mormons not by their deeds but by the faith they practice, and that all non-Mormons are unrepentant sinners. The same might be said about the way members of social justice organizations evaluate people: rather than evaluating people based on their merits, they are more interested in evaluating them based on the identity group they belong to.

Mormons spend a lot of time reminding people how much money they donate to charities that support the underprivileged. Social justice organizations go one step further by romanticizing their "cause" and informing their warriors that their main objective is to uplift the oppressed by whatever means necessary, even if it involves bringing the powerful and wealthy to their knees in the process! By informing their warriors that they are combating racism, homophobia, transgenderism, Nazism, and white supremacy, they assuage their soldiers' fears. The ultimate objective of the social justice movement, which has evolved into a modern religion, is to steer our children away from the Abrahamic religions by providing them with an alternative place of worship and a more honorable cause to fight for.

Thankfully, there are many who can recognize that the majority of social justice movements are a load of bullxxit; in the end, these movements are like a train heading downhill without brakes; it's only a matter of time until they crash and burn. It's been established that BLM is financially troubled and that their interests, not those of Black people, come first. They have been supporting terrorists rather than the Israelis for the past month. In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is! I'm not sure if the climate cult is a social justice movement, but it's certainly the worst of all the crazy movements that the leftists force on our children. I was terrified as a Mormon child that the world would end at any time and that I would have to load up on thousands of pounds of food and travel to Missouri. We discussed the end of the world, the latter days, Armageddon, and how we were Heavenly Father's modern-day soldiers, set aside for this very moment because we were the most valiant group in heaven and he knew we would fight even harder than all the generations that came before us for him and the gospel. Now, the deranged propaganda the climate cult is feeding our kids has scared my non-Mormon children into thinking the world would end during their lifetime. Same shxx, different religion!

Dirty Bird wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:10 am

In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is!

Feminism is great. But that movement has been replaced by something that replaces women.

Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:15 am

Dirty Bird wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:10 am

In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is!

Feminism is great. But that movement has been replaced by something that replaces women.

Feminism has been replaced by “intersectionality” which is the idea that nobody has rights if we don’t all have rights. Good idea on the surface. So instead of fighting for women’s rights and equality, it has become fighting for racial equality, LGBT equality, Palestinian rights, everybody’s rights. And feminism is lost in the mess. “feminism” is so diluted as to be meaningless. There is no “feminism” any more. It got lost under “everybody’s rights”. Just like when people respond to “Black lives matter,” with “all lives matter,” it takes away the meaning that in our society, black lives too often don’t matter to people in power. So, when women stop fighting for women’s rights and start fighting for everybody else, well they stopped fighting for women because it changes the meaning. As an example, Trans rights become more important than women’s rights to compete in sports on a level playing field, against other women who grew up as women. When someone makes it to 18 or so under male hormones, they have stronger upper body strength and better lung capacity. So they have an unfair advantage, just as if they were currently taking testosterone to enhance performance. That is ruled unfair. So, why is years of growing up on testosterone fair? As an Olympic swimming champion said, even after transitioning that it would be unfair for her to compete against women who grew up as women. So, if Caitlin Jennings says it is unfair, I accept her judgement. But feminists are right there demanding trans rights be placed above women’s rights. Now, in reality, it is not fair to make a trans woman be on the men’s team either. Neither solution can be fair to everyone. So, whose rights take priority? Right now most feminists say trans rights take priority over women’s rights because trans women are women. But is that really fair to cis women? No, it isn’t. But it is more important that trans women be treated as women, so we have at least one situation where a woman in prison get’s pregnant with a trans woman’s baby because they put a trans woman in women’s prison. I think other cultures have it correct where they recognize trans as a separate gender.

alas wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:07 am

Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:15 am

Dirty Bird wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:10 am

In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is!

Feminism is great. But that movement has been replaced by something that replaces women.

Feminism has been replaced by “intersectionality” which is the idea that nobody has rights if we don’t all have rights. Good idea on the surface. So instead of fighting for women’s rights and equality, it has become fighting for racial equality, LGBT equality, Palestinian rights, everybody’s rights. And feminism is lost in the mess. “feminism” is so diluted as to be meaningless. There is no “feminism” any more. It got lost under “everybody’s rights”. Just like when people respond to “Black lives matter,” with “all lives matter,” it takes away the meaning that in our society, black lives too often don’t matter to people in power. So, when women stop fighting for women’s rights and start fighting for everybody else, well they stopped fighting for women because it changes the meaning. As an example, Trans rights become more important than women’s rights to compete in sports on a level playing field, against other women who grew up as women. When someone makes it to 18 or so under male hormones, they have stronger upper body strength and better lung capacity. So they have an unfair advantage, just as if they were currently taking testosterone to enhance performance. That is ruled unfair. So, why is years of growing up on testosterone fair? As an Olympic swimming champion said, even after transitioning that it would be unfair for her to compete against women who grew up as women. So, if Caitlin Jennings says it is unfair, I accept her judgement. But feminists are right there demanding trans rights be placed above women’s rights. Now, in reality, it is not fair to make a trans woman be on the men’s team either. Neither solution can be fair to everyone. So, whose rights take priority? Right now most feminists say trans rights take priority over women’s rights because trans women are women. But is that really fair to cis women? No, it isn’t. But it is more important that trans women be treated as women, so we have at least one situation where a woman in prison get’s pregnant with a trans woman’s baby because they put a trans woman in women’s prison. I think other cultures have it correct where they recognize trans as a separate gender.

Interesting. Great points.

Have you been reading about India and Hijras?

I agree that women have been displaced. I would argue further that they have been diminished.

Mayan_Elephant wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:15 am

Dirty Bird wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:10 am

In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is!

Feminism is great. But that movement has been replaced by something that replaces women.

Talk about replacing women!

https://youtu.be/t3I7xMG2cGA?si=PBAEQ4bMP1Q3_1hU

Womens volleyball game, 12 players, 5 are Trans men playing all at the same time while women teammates sit on bench watching. One of the "men" on the court was voted hardest hitting player while playing on the mens team the year before. The progressive cult ideology has caused this.