Cnsl1 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:50 am
I know I'm preaching to the choir and one guy who's not even in the same congregation, but I watched the whole f'ing thing go down today as I am in quarantine and had to stay home. I watched coverage from at least 10 different stations, watched it unfold from the start, becoming more and more appalled and flabbergasted as it transpired. I kinda thought the crowd of trumplicans (and let's be honest, that's what they were) could get rowdy because, good grief, their Royal Highness told them to march to the Capitol and fight and that they needed to be forceful. Yes yes, he DID tell them to be peaceful but that was after they'd already broken in and broken the law! That was AFTER Biden called him out and asked him to make a statement. Yes, Twitter pulled his account, but that was not until tonight. Twist the facts and twist the facts and now try to blame the illegal stuff on antifa.
In my opinion, whoever did the crimes should be arrested. I don't care what you're persuasion is. But it's a fact that Trump led them down this gulley and set them on their way. Most of the people inside the Capitol didn't appear to be destructive, but more like annoying, insensitive redneck tourists. Still, they were not supposed to be in there! They broke in. They should face the consequences of that act. It could have gone much much much worse. Fortunately, most of the thousands at the Capitol seemed like garden variety gullible white folks, and while prone to aggressiveness, not really the criminal type. Some were downright mean, some completely whacky, but in my opinion, Trump could have easily stopped that mess before it even started, EVEN IF he does actually believe the election was rigged.
I think Occam's Razor applies well in these situations, including this one.
What makes more sense?
1) there is a grand conspiracy at hand. Judges that are appointed by Trump who say there's no evidence of fraud are lying. People who voted for him and campaigned mightily for him decide they don't want to help him anymore even though there is evidence to support his case. Multiple courts in multiple states toss it out cuz they're in on the conspiracy. Antifa infiltrates the peaceful Trumpers and trash the Capitol while dressed as redneck MAGAtes. Just about everyone close to Trump starts baling out, except those who are the stable geniuses. Every media source is corrupted and the press is all fake.
Or 2). Trump is a selfish narcissist who cannot handle losing and cannot admit he lost. Lots of people like to believe conspiracy theories. And, Cruz and Hawley are more concerned about power an d becoming president than serving their country.
The simplest explanation is usually the most correct.
Anyone who has tolerated me for any amount of time knows that I don't believe in facts. And a lot of what you said here makes my point. It is a fact that it was a Trump rally. It is a fact that it was a capital building. It is a fact that there was violence. It's in fact that a woman was shot for crawling through a window.
If I were to put those facts into a logic puzzle I'm sure you would come up with the same opinion that you basically expressed here. What if I said that it was there was a fact that one of the people at the front breaking into the building had a communist tattoo on his hand, the sickle and star.
When you begin to break down a situation in the facts you lose a lot of what is actually happening. Facts are a weak point in our logic. One person was trying to tell me that you cannot be a fascist if you are part of Anti-Fascist. It defied logic.
Yet anybody who knows anything about Antifa would know that they are pure fascist. They will shut down speakers they don't like. They will attack figures that they don't like. They will cause disturbances and make people fearful. They hate authority that isn't theirs. Antifa is literally the modern version of The facist party from World War II. Fascism was at once point an admired system of government for the Democrats. They admired Mussolini and Hitler for their wonderful programs to take care of the poor. To bring quality and justice to all. But they also destroyed anyone who got in their way or who did not want to play along. The two founders of what is called Antifa were actually fascist philosophers from Germany. They knew what they were doing was now a hated philosophy and so they called it anti-fascist. What any good philosopher would do.
That woman who was shot in the capital was crawling through window that was broken. I don't think that she broke it but she was crawling through it. She was a veteran of 14 years. She had done four tours in the air Force. She was protesting and she was in a public building. I'm not sure why anyone was allowed into that building. I know that hundreds of thousands of angry Democrats were banging on the doors of the supreme Court and not a single person got in and not a single person was shot.
Going to confess that I'm a little pissed. Cops let antifa burn down their cities and their police station and didn't shoot a single one. This woman was unarmed and crawling through a window but needed to be shot and killed. If you think there isn't two teirs of justice then you're not paying attention.
On the note of Law & Order. She shouldn't have been in that building. I can't make excuses for that. However, I know that when they were debating some of the supreme Court justices that Democrats piled into those same buildings and blocked the hallways. They harassed the senators and the Congress people. They yelled at them and crowded into elevators with them. But somehow it was okay to shoot this woman. I'm sorry, it isn't an equal justice. And so you're preaching to the one guy who's not part of your congregation, but I am listening. I respect your opinion even though I think it is flawed and biased. You justify the killing of a woman who served her country, because she was in a building doing what hundreds of thousands of Democrats have done over the last four years. She was protesting. She wasn't hurting anyone. She didn't break the window. Yet the same people who burn down cities and police stations and killed cops are being defended because they wouldn't do something like this.
When Trump asked his supporters to go home. They went home. Not a single governor or mayor of one of these cities or states that suffered from these riots ever asked Antifa or Black Lives Matter to go home. And they didn't. They burned and looted and killed without restriction for weeks. Yet you have some sort of moral high horse that you want to come and lay at my feet as if my group are a bunch of savages.
There were three main guys there, one dressed as a Native American Viking, and two others. I think they were the ones breaking things and leading the charge. I don't have all the pictures. But they have been confirmed as Antifa. Being among crowds can be dangerous when it comes to your emotions. Your emotions are almost directly linked to your body chemistry. And crowds can drive up levels of different hormones and you can quickly become involved in illogical behavior because that seems like what everyone else is doing.
I can't defend why that woman was in that building. But if she's going to get shot we need to hunt down about 10,000 Democratic protesters and then send them along with her.