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Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Dirty Bird » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:53 am

Last week I watched a Mormon Stories episode that discussed electroshock therapy at BYU that was performed to try and help homosexuals with same sex attraction. I've also watched numerous episodes about learning to be transgender and mormon which I'm sure is extremely difficult. But the most obvious detail most who watch theses lgbtq mormon stories episodes seem to never talk about is how John Dehlin loves explaining to listeners how he's a ally of the Lgbtq community.

Here's what stands out to me about the episode that discusses the electroshock performed at BYU on members of the lgbtq community. Watching the episode you would think that the electroshock therapy test performed at BYU was the most cruel and inhumane torture ever performed in the modern Era! But, as a trained Psychologist, John Dehlin never discusses how ECT (Electroconvulsive Therapy) can have wonderful benefits on patients that suffer from severe depression. I assume he's forgetting to discuss this fact on his program because it would give legitimacy to the actions the church took by trying to help the individuals that suffered with their same sex attraction.

OK, John Dehlin isn't a member of the Mormon church anymore, but he is a member of the medical community and apparently he doesn't seem to mind how today's "modern" medical providers are mutilating members of the lgbtq community. Let's compare the Mormons to today's medical community. The Mormons shocked men while they viewed porn in an attempt to try to "ungay" them. That's pretty much the extent of the expirements. In contrast, the "modern" medical community is profiting off of chemical and physical treatment of transgender patients thinking it will cure them of their social anxiety, but there's no proof that trying to chemically castrate or physically mutilate a person who suffers with an identity disorder actually helps the person mentally in the long term. In fact, the evidence suggests just the opposite. But none of that matters because the medical community has gone beyond believing in facts and science, and now they also accept leftwing talking points to justify the mutilation of members of the lgbtq community. In the past year the Biden administration has doubled down on pushing mutilating surgeries and sterilizing drugs on children that suffer with gender dysphoria. To the leftist, removing a little girls breast or chemically castrating a little boy is acceptable. Transgender assistant secretary of health and human services Rachel Levine has said that these horrifying medical procedures have the highest support from the Biden administration. The Democrat lieutenant governor of Minnesota said that parents are obligated to subject their children to deformity surgeries and powerful chemicals if the child is suffering from gender confusion.

So BYU shows members of the lgbtq community porn while shocking their genitals and John Dehlin thinks the Mormon church is immoral, but the medical community he is now part of chemically castrates young boys, cuts their penis off or inverts it, mutilates young girls by chopping their breast off, and John Dehlin says nothing while pretending he's an lgbtq ally. That's total hypocrisy and shows how big of a coward John Dehlin actually is. Our children are not lab rats and the leftist are pushing these unproven radical procedures on our children because they have successfully convinced their cult followers that the Democrat lawmakers are the saviors of the earth and they're doing everything they can possibly do to save their constituents from the evil right-wing. The cult mentality found on the left has infiltrated the brains of leftist so successfully, they are willing to mutilate children, this says so much about where they are mentally, but in the end it doesn't matter. The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult has been successful. All we can do now is sit back and watch leftist cult members like John Dehlin indoctrinate more and more people into the cult. He spent two years trying to indoctrinate poor Latinx while serving a Mormon mission, now it looks like he plans on serving a mission for the leftist cult he supports. I guess old habits are hard to break.


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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by wtfluff » Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:14 pm

Dirty Bird wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:53 am
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In contrast, the "modern" medical community is profiting off of chemical and physical treatment of transgender patients thinking it will cure them of their social anxiety, but there's no proof that trying to chemically castrate or physically mutilate a person who suffers with an identity disorder actually helps the person mentally in the long term. In fact, the evidence suggests just the opposite.
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Could you provide the evidence you mentioned in your post?
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Hagoth » Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:29 pm

Dirty Bird,

Do you have any transgender children? It is very easy to judge others and put them into convenient political boxes until it involves the people you love most dearly. Also, the things you say are being done to "young boys" and "young girls" are mostly mythical. Even most adult transgender people don't do those things, but if they do, they are adults and they don't need your permission.
To the leftist...
Can you introduce me to any of these Leftists who you know personally? As far as I can tell they are a tiny minority which exist mostly in the opinions of right wing news commentators.
The cult mentality found on the left has infiltrated the brains of leftist so successfully, they are willing to mutilate children, this says so much about where they are mentally, but in the end it doesn't matter. The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult has been successful.
But isn't is kind of a matter of perspective? How about if I reword it this way:
The cult mentality found on the right has infiltrated the brains of Magas so successfully, they are willing waste endless time, money, and legislative power to pit an entire political system, as we have seen in Utah, against one little girl who wants to compete in sports. This says so much about where they are mentally, but in the end it doesn't matter. The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult of bigots has been successful.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by moksha » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:48 pm

Dirty Bird wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:53 am
The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult has been successful.
1. While the Republican Party has been transformed, the Cult of Trump is not worldwide.
2. Once Trump has been convicted of numerous felonies and the Cultists lose multiple elections, their success will be forgotten.

Maybe ECT can help them forget this would be Führer.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:07 pm

moksha wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:48 pm
Dirty Bird wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:53 am
The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult has been successful.
1. While the Republican Party has been transformed, the Cult of Trump is not worldwide.
2. Once Trump has been convicted of numerous felonies and the Cultists lose multiple elections, their success will be forgotten.

Maybe ECT can help them forget this would be Führer.
Oh, sweet. This is about Trump again. Speaking of the holocaust, it appears that the alignment with those that are fine with Jew-killing is popular among democrats these days. Interesting how accusations turned out to be projection.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:18 pm

I don't take any conversation about gender or sexuality that is couched in left/right, R/D, Cult/Woke bullshit seriously. I may take the conversation not seriously, but I damn sure do not take it seriously. For what it is worth, if you want to talk about the smog requirements for a diesel truck, great. If you want to talk about the smog of a diesel truck and how Trump is killing fish in the Great Barrier Reef, well that is great for you and for all your friends that are watching Tom Six movies tonight.

I do not have a transgender child. I did raise kids in San Francisco through high school. I have seen enough dramatic nonsense for my lifetime. The drama eclipsed the actual concerns and actual issues.

There is NO DOUBT that real people have real concerns. There is no doubt that professional care is needed. There is no doubt that there are actual victims. Equally, there is no doubt that there is a whole lot of victimization positioning going on from both sides. There is also no question that legislation is being processed by people that have no clue what they are doing - on both sides. Without going into the things of which IDKSAF, I tend to agree with Dirty Bird on this... Dehlin definitely likes to be on the exmo side first, no matter what. That is his brand. As a producer and entertainer, he is fine to do that. He is more than fine. He is earning a living doing that and being on that side. I don't see anyone doing it better right now, that is for damn sure.

I dare Dehlin to bring on some guests that are not perfectly aligned with his exmo democrat affiliation. Does he do that?
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Hagoth » Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:38 pm

The exmo community, just like the believing Mo community is full of hypocrisy. Mormons gonna morm regardless of which side of the fence they are on. Nothing is pounded into us harder than the wrongness of anybody who isn't on the same page with us. That's also why the church is caught up in such a sh*t show with Visions of Glory type fundamentalists right now. You get enough of them together to create an in/out mentality and they just KNOW that everyone else is wrong, so they must be right. Similarly, Reddit/Exmormon has a constant parade of exmos and PIMOs othering active Mormons in the same way they themselves undoubtedly othered exmos when they were on the TBM team.

As far as John Dehlin goes, his product is as good as the guests he has on. The less he gets in their way and lets them talk the better. I'm more of an RFM and Bill Reel man, myself. They are constantly inviting apologists and representatives of the church on their podcasts. Of course, those people generally don't take the bait, but sometimes they do. I gained a lot of respect for Jim Bennett when he took the challenge. I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, but I thought he did an impressive job of presenting it sincerely and logically.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:44 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:38 pm
The exmo community, just like the believing Mo community is full of hypocrisy. Mormons gonna morm regardless of which side of the fence they are on. Nothing is pounded into us harder than the wrongness of anybody who isn't on the same page with us. That's also why the church is caught up in such a sh*t show with Visions of Glory type fundamentalists right now. You get enough of them together to create an in/out mentality and they just KNOW that everyone else is wrong, so they must be right. Similarly, Reddit/Exmormon has a constant parade of exmos and PIMOs othering active Mormons in the same way they themselves undoubtedly othered exmos when they were on the TBM team.

As far as John Dehlin goes, his product is as good as the guests he has on. The less he gets in their way and lets them talk the better. I'm more of an RFM and Bill Reel man, myself. They are constantly inviting apologists and representatives of the church on their podcasts. Of course, those people generally don't take the bait, but sometimes they do. I gained a lot of respect for Jim Bennett when he took the challenge. I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, but I thought he did an impressive job of presenting it sincerely and logically.
Yeah. I don't really groove on RFM and Reel, but I can see that. On the interruption and about-me-ism of Mormon Stories, I believe I know what you are sayin, brother.

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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Cnsl1 » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:03 pm

While I'm not a fan of everything Dehlin says and does, he certainly has had guests who are clearly still Mormon. Rod Meldrum, for one. Patrick Mason for another. While Rod and Dr Mason seem very far apart in their views, they're both clearly card carrying priesthood holders.

Second, no one, left/ right/ center believes that little children should be mutilated. You're creating a straw man argument. And then you throw in electroshock or electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), which of course is a viable and well researched treatment for severe depression. This therapy is typically reserved for those who have not responded well to other therapies such as medication and psychotherapy, and who also have very high suicidal ideation or previous attempts. This is completely different from the electroshock studies conducted at BYU. Obviously at the time those BYU researchers didn't completely understand homosexuality, and were influenced by the church's previous view. Such a study could not be conducted today and is a pretty dark black eye on BYU because they SHOULD have known better.

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Post by Mayan_Elephant » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:40 pm

Cnsl1 wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:03 pm
Second, no one, left/ right/ center believes that little children should be mutilated.
In fairness, I for one do not believe this is true. You are welcome to prove me wrong, I am generally the most wrong person in these parts. But on this point, I do not agree with this statement. In fact, I believe, correct or not, that the exact opposite is true.
The World Professional Association for Transgender Health, a global group that sets standards for medical care of trans youths and adults, recently lowered its recommended minimum age for starting gender transition treatment, including sex hormones and surgeries.

The new standards support starting hormones at age 14, two years earlier than before, and some surgeries at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.
When these requirements were changed, there were arguments made against the changes.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-chi ... %20surgery.

While experiments may not be considered a mutilation if it is done with pharma, some would argue that the effect is similar. And, clearly, that is still going on with children.
People under 18 can still be given puberty blockers in exceptional circumstances, the NHS said, and a clinical study on their impact on kids is due to start by next year.
https://apnews.com/article/uk-transgend ... 4656c937da

Again - I may be wrong, and I am listening. But as far as I can tell, children are still very much in the mix for experiments.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Dirty Bird » Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:32 am

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:29 pm
Dirty Bird,

Do you have any transgender children? It is very easy to judge others and put them into convenient political boxes until it involves the people you love most dearly. Also, the things you say are being done to "young boys" and "young girls" are mostly mythical. Even most adult transgender people don't do those things, but if they do, they are adults and they don't need your permission.
To the leftist...
Can you introduce me to any of these Leftists who you know personally? As far as I can tell they are a tiny minority which exist mostly in the opinions of right wing news commentators.
The cult mentality found on the left has infiltrated the brains of leftist so successfully, they are willing to mutilate children, this says so much about where they are mentally, but in the end it doesn't matter. The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult has been successful.
But isn't is kind of a matter of perspective? How about if I reword it this way:
The cult mentality found on the right has infiltrated the brains of Magas so successfully, they are willing waste endless time, money, and legislative power to pit an entire political system, as we have seen in Utah, against one little girl who wants to compete in sports. This says so much about where they are mentally, but in the end it doesn't matter. The transformation from a political party to a worldwide cult of bigots has been successful.
No, I do not have a child who identifies as transgender, nor do I have a child who is transracial, transspecies, transage, or who suffers from tourettes, bulimia, or autism, all of which have high percentages of suicidal thoughts among their symptoms. Years ago, I spent hours on the phone with a relative who suffered from bulimia and another who suffers with tourettes, helping them when they were suicidal. One of them was waiting for me to arrive in a Walmart parking lot so we could have a face-to-face conversation, and I had driven eight hours in the middle of the night to get to them.

Like every other disorder I described, transgenderism is an extremely intricate disorder. A person who experiences it suffers from mental havoc.

Let's draw yet another comparison between the Trans movement and the Mormon church in regards to transgender children. According to Mormon doctrine, we must be baptized when we become eight years old because, at that point, the devil and his minions will have unrestricted access to our minds and will be able to seduce us into committing sin. As a result, we make an everlasting covenant with our heavenly father, enabling us to be baptized and receive the gift of the holy ghost, who will assist us in fending off the devil's inevitable temptations and malicious thoughts. When you're a young Mormon and that's all you know, all of this sounds fantastic. However, the issue arises when someone begins to doubt the veracity of church doctrine and discovers that some of what the church says is wholly untrue and that others are only partially accurate. Ten years later, the individual in question has left the church. They are frequently furious that they were misled and that their parents made them enter into a spueitual contract when they weren't old enough. They also frequently question why their parents didn't allow them to wait until they were adults before making an eternal commitment so they could make the decision when their brain is fully developed.

The harm done to children by the transgender movement is far worse than that done by the Mormon Church. The transgender movement asserts that children as young as two or three years old can discern whether they are, in fact, a girl in a male's body or a boy in a girl's body, and that transgender children require the validation of those around them. The transgender movement holds that youngsters are intelligent enough to determine whether they are a male in a girl's body or vice versa, just like the Mormon faith believes that eight-year-olds are knowledgeable enough to enter into an eternal contract with God. The age range for puberty blockers for transgender children attempting to physically alter their bodies has been lowered to 8 to 13. These medications damage bones and can affect an adult's ability to conceive. The child can begin testosterone or estrogen therapies around the age of 14. This treatment is frequently lifelong. Infertility, weight gain, strokes, and high blood pressure are among the possible risks. Transgender boys may begin having their breasts removed at the age of 15. The majority of genital procedures, which include testicle and womb removal, begin at age 17. I won't go through all of the issues that come with genital surgery, but if you're interested in learning more about how difficult life can be following surgery, look up Jazz Jennings.

Why am I drawing comparisons between the Trans movement and the Mormon Church when most people would likely argue that there are none? Because both groups place a great deal of faith in our children, even when they are too young to make the decisions that are being asked of them? It goes without saying that an 8-year-old Mormon child is too young to enter into the most significant contract of their lives. The same holds true for a transgender child who takes medicines that will change their life forever or who consents to having body parts removed that they will never be able to get back.

The Mormon Church now faces competition from the "ex" movement, or exmormons. The Trans movement continues to expand annually. Additionally, the detrans movement is expanding, and its members are sharing their testimonies on a variety of media. Many clarify in their testimonies that the trans community didn't want anything to do with them after they decided to detransition. Sounds just like the Mormon/Exmormon fued, does it not? That after deciding they weren't transgender any more, they experienced rejection and blatant disregard from those with whom they had previously had close relationships. I believe that the detrans movement demonstrates that a woman cannot truly become a man, and a man cannot truly become a woman, which is why many members of the trans movement don't interact with members of the detrans movement. Are members of the trans movement called detransphobes when they reject the testimonies of the members of the detrans community, kinda like heterosexuals are called transphobes if we don't agree with the trans narrative?

If the Detrans movement starts growing as fast as the Trans movement, do you think we should stop removing body parts from our kids if we find out that removing body parts makes members of the detrans community suicidal?

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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Dirty Bird » Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:53 am

Hagoth,
As far as I can tell they are a tiny minority which exist mostly in the opinions of right wing news commentators.
Not a tiny minority. Heterosexuals, LGB and even Trans folks are starting to realize that the medical community is mutilating our children unnecessarily.

Here's a Trans man explaining how what we're doing to our children by cutting off their body parts is insane. I agree with this trans man. More people are starting to speak the truth. It's all because of the detrans movement in my opinion.

https://youtu.be/v_o2Q2EgeLY?si=54IAKKV9khKadDZc

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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:03 am

Dirty Bird wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:32 am
The Mormon Church now faces competition from the "ex" movement, or exmormons. The Trans movement continues to expand annually. Additionally, the detrans movement is expanding, and its members are sharing their testimonies on a variety of media. Many clarify in their testimonies that the trans community didn't want anything to do with them after they decided to detransition. Sounds just like the Mormon/Exmormon fued, does it not? That after deciding they weren't transgender any more, they experienced rejection and blatant disregard from those with whom they had previously had close relationships. I believe that the detrans movement demonstrates that a woman cannot truly become a man, and a man cannot truly become a woman, which is why many members of the trans movement don't interact with members of the detrans movement. Are members of the trans movement called detransphobes when they reject the testimonies of the members of the detrans community, kinda like heterosexuals are called transphobes if we don't agree with the trans narrative?

If the Detrans movement starts growing as fast as the Trans movement, do you think we should stop removing body parts from our kids if we find out that removing body parts makes members of the detrans community suicidal?
Well, I ain't no doctor. And I ain't no senator's son.

But yes on this part: Exmormons absolutely vote folks off their island if the folks do not toe the correct ideological line. No question about that. And the detrans movement is about as welcome as a whore in church. Meaning, detrans folks are only welcome as a token and a project to dedetrans them or make them repent.

Hey Filthy Fowl, I am not sure if you are tip-toe-ing here or being deliberate. You seem to be using the transsexual topic to make a point about children without any reference to adults who transition. Is that deliberate or an omission?

Regarding the OP - I acknowledge the point and I agree. On the one hand - kids are conditioned to accept personal interviews, say they believe something that is farcical AF, and enter into an eternal contract, LOL. And that is bad. On the other hand - if kids enter into an ideology of bullshit and self diagnose as a different gender or as having a sexual orientation (in some cases), that can't possibly be conditioned. And, that is just ridiculous. Anyone who got baptized at the age of 8 and later called BS on the joint that led them to that decision should be realistic about the effectiveness of conditioning children.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Hagoth » Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:18 pm

If we can take a moment to look outside of our narrow little culture bubble we can learn that transgender people have always been with us and have been accepted and even revered in many cultures. They were sacred and necessary in India, considered touched by the gods, and the only people worthy of performing certain sacred rituals. That was until the British Empire arrived and outlawed their participation in their religious culture, took away their means of providing for themselves, and did everything they could to turn them into outcasts. But, for whatever reason, British were happy to funnel them into prostitution as sexual curiosities for westerners.

The real tragedy is this country is the number of trans teens living on the streets and committing suicide because they were rejected by their families and churches. It's not because they are mentally ill, it's because WE as a society are mentally ill. If you are so concerned maybe you could volunteer to work in community center to help those kids survive in a world that wants them eradicated.

I totally agree that radical surgery on children is a bad idea. We all agree on what a child is, right? I had the end of my penis cut off when I was a baby and nobody asked my permission, for crying out loud! So maybe start there.

Here's the thing, DB. Trans people make up about 0.2 percent of the population, yet the conservative political hivemind goes to enormous lengths to make it an out-of-control panic issue. Oh no, we can't let them in a bathroom where children might go! I just spent some time in BC and all of the public restrooms there had "Trans People Welcome" on the doors. It's just not a problem there. It's only a problem if you make it a problem.

When I hear the kind of rhetoric the Loud Voices use about transgender people it is typically presented as a pretense of compassion, but it is usually actually religious and political just beneath the surface, and the furthest thing from genuine compassion. Every person is different. Maybe we look for what's best for people on a case-by-case basis, rather than making blanket laws and assumptions.

I agree that the e guy in your video is very screwed up and has made some terrible choices. This bears absolutely no resemblance to my daughter's situation. She chose to start hormone therapy in her mid-20s and is happier and better adjusted than ever. She is in a wonderful loving relationship with someone who cherishes and respects her. They are the most delightful people you will encounter. Her partner also made some tough decisions that I'm sure you wouldn't agree with, but is in SUCH a better life than when they tried to fit into the mold that was cast for them by their culture. We are happy for our daughter. When she came out to us it was very difficult for us and our church mentality immediately kicked in, but now we realize what a horrible mistake it would have been to try to convince her that she was mentally ill and needed to be fixed, rather than just allowed to be herself. The biggest negative in their life is the rudeness and bigotry of the good people of the community.

And I think that's all I have to say about this topic. Thanks for listening.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:26 pm

Hagoth wrote:
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And I think that's all I have to say about this topic. Thanks for listening.
If you change your mind and want to explain more, I am interested in learning more.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Mayan_Elephant » Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:24 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:18 pm
The real tragedy is this country is the number of trans teens living on the streets and committing suicide because they were rejected by their families and churches. It's not because they are mentally ill, it's because WE as a society are mentally ill.
I am not sure I am getting the point here. Clearly, suicide is a tragedy. That part I get. I am just not sure that we are mentally ill. FUBAR? Yes. It can be that. Selfish, conscientious? Yes. Ridiculous and aggressive? Yes. I am not sure we can blanket the whole damn lot of us all as a mentally ill collective.

I understand the challenge here. And.... dare I hit this head on.... do I? It is a tough argument to make when a group of promoters of drag queen story hour, dudes dressed like nuns, and clowns in lingerie on their pebbles poll dancing for kids, calls out the other side as whack for asking to not have the conditioning in front of their kids. While the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence may be funny and fine and all that, it is a bit far fetched to expect a Catholic family to take anything seriously when it is shoved up their orifices.
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Oh no, we can't let them in a bathroom where children might go! I just spent some time in BC and all of the public restrooms there had "Trans People Welcome" on the doors. It's just not a problem there. It's only a problem if you make it a problem.
Again, I am often wrong. I am so damn wrong so damn often. But, while that sign, to you, showed that the place was tolerant and it was no big deal, there are some, not all, but some folks who see that sign, roll their eyes and shake their heads. They are not rolling their eyes at you, neither are they rolling their eyes at your daughter. They are rolling their eyes at the woke ass declaration and bullshit. Of course trans people are welcome here, as if, ever, they weren't. Of course. And here we go with the look-at-me declarations again. Put a BLM sign on the door, a mask sign on the door, a trans sign on the door, a needle exchange box for your vaccines, a pregnancy test kit for your covid, a Ukraine flag on the door, tampons in a humidor next to the urinal, an I Heart Hamas sign on the door, a Greta T wax figure on the 0.7021 GPF toilet, a Hillary sign on the bumper, and rainbow-colored neck brace for the SJW whiplash.
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I totally agree that radical surgery on children is a bad idea.
This may be a great starting position where there is common ground. Radical therapies and radical conditioning could be next. At this point, I think there is a massive divide on those topics. And, from where I am sitting, it does not appear to be a divide solely in the political silos.
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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Dirty Bird » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:22 am

Hagoth,

Would you be open to talking about the detrans movement and how it is becoming more and more popular every day? The Trans community faces a great deal of difficulty when they want us to think that trans women are women, but there is a subset of the population that disagrees, claiming that they were tricked into thinking that a man could truly turn into a woman or vice versa. The more the detrans movement grows in numbers, the more the trans movement will look like it is trying to indoctrinate our kids.

A lifetime Mormon who recently turned 70 and I were talking about the book of Abraham last month. Being deeply religious, he dedicates a lot of his time to helping at church events and upkeep of the church facilities. It may be said that his identity is determined first and foremost by his Mormon beliefs and rituals, followed by everything else in his life and his family. He is an extremely tolerant person—until it comes to discussing religion. No amount of evidence could persuade him that the book of Abraham isn't true and wasn't actually authored by Abraham himself. You see, nothing could persuade him that Mormonism isn't genuine; he is a sincere believer, and Mormonism defines who he is. His Mormonism dictates his everyday activities and social interactions. He is not capable of even looking at material that would contradict the beliefs the brethern are telling him he must have at this time in his life.

We all conduct our lives in the same manner as I just described my Mormon friend; it's not unique to Mormons; it's a human trait. The human brain has evolved to the point where it allows us to live in an alternate reality, which some refer to as a religion, while others call it a philosophy. All of us create our own alternate realities so we can deal with the ultimate reality—that we will all die—gives us comfort and peace. The true reality of living on this planet is a difficult and frightening undertaking.

For many people, transgenderism has become an alternate reality, just like Buddhism, Mormonism, or thousands of other religions. However, a sizable portion of the transgender community is not genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria; rather, they have been drawn into a movement that falsely claims that it is true that men and women can both transform into each other.

This is where I think we diverge. Where I draw the line is when a alternate reality starts brainwashing kids and tries to persuade everyone around them that in their reality, it's important to cut off kids' body parts or chemically castrate them because they're suffering mentally. I don't mind at all if an adult human wants to live as the opposite gender that their genitalia tells them they are. In order to give their movement legitimacy, the trans community is not content to simply assist those who experience gender dysphoria; instead, they are trying to convert as many individuals as they can to their alternate reality. The trans community has been elevated by our society to the top of the victim pyramid, and from there, they begin to brandish swords at anyone who challenges the veracity of the information they adhere to in their parallel world. Similar to Mormonism, the transgender movement seeks to legitimize itself by quickly indoctrinating nonbelievers with its alternate world facts.

It's not the trans community that is sick, you say, but America. That is simply untrue. Alternative realities are widely accepted in America. People come here to worship as they wish, from all over the world. Before the trans community came to terms with physicians who are willing to chemically castrate or remove bodily parts from minors, they had a decision to make years ago. As transgenderism is fluid and a person's thoughts can change throughout their life when attempting to determine if they are male or female, they might have decided to stand up for our young and protect them by stating that anyone under the age of 18 shouldn't try to alter their body physically. But that's not what they decided to do. Rather, they made the decision to attempt persuading everyone on the planet that it is possible for a man to truly become a woman and for a woman to truly become a man. The issue is that transgenderism has taken it upon itself to try to persuade people that actual biology isn't true, in contrast to the parallel world of Mormonism where they're trying to convince people that Joseph is a modern-day prophet! Tolerance is a finite resource for humans. Most people will put up with a group of people thinking a horndog like Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, but they won't accept that a man can change into a woman. It transcends the bounds of a different reality. Particularly in cases where kids are being disfigured.

The detrans movement is the evidence against the alternate reality of transgenderism like the Book of Abraham is the evidence against the alternate reality of Mormonism.

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Re: Examples of Exmormon Hypocrisy

Post by Hagoth » Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:54 am

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