How America Has Been Let Down By The Republicans

[Dirty Bird]

On January 10, 1963, the objectives of the communists who wished to infiltrate the United States were read into the record of the Congressional hearings.

A couple of the objectives are listed below.

1.To seize control of the educational system and using it as a vehicle for spreading socialist ideals. 2. Infiltrate the press. 3. Maintain your campaign to undermine the culture of the United States. 4. Encourage pornography and obscenity in published works by breaking down the cultural morality standards that have been established. 5. Get rid of any and all forms of religious expression in schools, including prayer. 6. Bring into disrepute the founding documents of the United States. 7. Cast doubt on the founding fathers of the United States. 8. Infiltrate large businesses and eventually take control of them. 9. Cast doubt on the legitimacy of the family as an institution. 10. Stress the importance of educating children in an environment that is free from the destructive influence of parents. 11. Give the notion that acts of violence and uprising are acceptable components of the American tradition.

All of these socialist objectives are being pursued by far-left progressives who are members of the Democratic party; yet, I believe that I am more likely to blame the Republicans than I am the Democrats for the fact that the Democrats have allowed socialism to take control of their party. My opinion is that the most significant problem with Republicans is that they consistently have the mistaken belief that they can eliminate the influence of socialists on the left by merely winning a sufficient number of elections and then attempting to enact laws that are designed to counteract the aims of socialism. The Republican Party is completely delusional if they continue to hold to this idea. They have allowed the Democrats to influence three generations of Americans into believing that the United States of America is evil, that white people are evil, that the founding fathers were evil, that felons like George Floyd are heroes, that babies are parasites feeding off of the host, and that the definition of a woman can no longer be defined because any person who wants to be a woman can become one. I hold the Republicans responsible for enabling this to take place since they did not put up a fight to prevent a socialist and communist takeover of the democratic party! They're cowards just as much as the Democrats.

The United States of America as we once knew it no longer exists. We have let down today's young people. We have made it possible for the socialist left to define them by providing hundreds of different victim categories from which to choose. Once our young people have decided which victim group they wish to identify with, there is no prospect of bringing them back to the here and now. A cult mentality is a cult mentality, regardless if it's from following a religion or a movement such as socialism.

With all of the breakthroughs that have been achieved over the previous 100 years, our younger generation is more suicidal, more depressed, fatter than hell, doesn't comprehend fundamental math, and their reading comprehension is worse now than it was fifty years ago. All of this is the result of the socialist's influence within the Democratic party, which was gained through infiltration. If you take the time to read the 45 objectives of the communist, you'll gain and realize that the ultimate end aim of socialism is to make everyone feel that their livelihood is dependent on the government. This is the goal of communism. Under the proposed government that the Democrats are working to establish, individualism will not be permitted. Am I mistaken?

[alas]

You talk about what communism wanted to do, then you switch over to how the horrible democrats want socialism. Learn the difference. Socialism is not communism. I am not one bit afraid of socialism. I have lived in a socialist country, and they had as many rights as we do, but they had medical care, and maternity leave, and a livable minimum wage, and a whole bunch of other good things.

What I am afraid of is your republicans who want to put dictator Trump in power. Really look at what he is saying he wants to do if elected. Stalin did the same. He wants to imprison any who oppose him. Stalin, Lenin, Mao, all did exactly what your boy Trump is promising to do. The bad thing about communism is not communism so much as the dictatorship that it takes to enforce it.

So, dirty bird, learn the difference between Democratic socialism and dictatorship communism. They are not even close to related. Then come back and talk to us.

When you can accurately describe democratic socialism then I will listen to your opinion. Right now you just sound like you believe Fox “News” propaganda.

[Mayan_Elephant]

He wants to imprison any who oppose him.

What is your source for this?

Many opposed Trump when he was president? Who did he imprison?

With all due respect, your claim is pure gaslighting. Biden’s DOJ and Soros’s DA’s are taking political prisoners and incarcerating enemies.

Perhaps you are correct about Trump, but if you are, it can be a point made without projection.

[dogbite]

What is your source for this?

Many opposed Trump when he was president? Who did he imprison?

With all due respect, your claim is pure gaslighting. Biden’s DOJ and Soros’s DA’s are taking political prisoners and incarcerating enemies.

Perhaps you are correct about Trump, but if you are, it can be a point made without projection.

Trump's rally on Sunday in New Hampshire as reported on CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics ... index.html

“We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,” Trump said, using the demagogic technique of dehumanizing his opponents. He warned that “the real threat is not from the radical right. The real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day.”

These views are not illegal. Holding, espousing, rallying on these views is protected speech and activity according to the first amendment.

On Tuesday, the former president amplified a Truth Social post from another user calling for New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron to be placed under citizen’s arrest. (from the above CNN article)

From the WaPo, Trump would use the DOJ and FBI against his enemies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... univision/

" if I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them.’

His plan to purge government employment rosters of "non-loyalists" whose only crime is disagreeing with Trump. Which again is protected speech.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... 022-7?op=1

[Dirty Bird]

You talk about what communism wanted to do, then you switch over to how the horrible democrats want socialism. Learn the difference. Socialism is not communism. I am not one bit afraid of socialism. I have lived in a socialist country, and they had as many rights as we do, but they had medical care, and maternity leave, and a livable minimum wage, and a whole bunch of other good things.

What I am afraid of is your republicans who want to put dictator Trump in power. Really look at what he is saying he wants to do if elected. Stalin did the same. He wants to imprison any who oppose him. Stalin, Lenin, Mao, all did exactly what your boy Trump is promising to do. The bad thing about communism is not communism so much as the dictatorship that it takes to enforce it.

So, dirty bird, learn the difference between Democratic socialism and dictatorship communism. They are not even close to related. Then come back and talk to us.

When you can accurately describe democratic socialism then I will listen to your opinion. Right now you just sound like you believe Fox “News” propaganda.

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."

One smart woman

[dogbite]

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."

One smart woman

By that logic, with which I disagree, the Republicans are full communists as I demonstrated in my post about socialist programs the Republicans support. And by that logic, it would only take supporting one socialist program to be communist.

Interesting how you yourself are then communist.

[Mayan_Elephant]

What is your source for this?

Many opposed Trump when he was president? Who did he imprison?

With all due respect, your claim is pure gaslighting. Biden’s DOJ and Soros’s DA’s are taking political prisoners and incarcerating enemies.

Perhaps you are correct about Trump, but if you are, it can be a point made without projection.

Trump's rally on Sunday in New Hampshire as reported on CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics ... index.html

“We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,” Trump said, using the demagogic technique of dehumanizing his opponents. He warned that “the real threat is not from the radical right. The real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day.”

These views are not illegal. Holding, espousing, rallying on these views is protected speech and activity according to the first amendment.

On Tuesday, the former president amplified a Truth Social post from another user calling for New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron to be placed under citizen’s arrest. (from the above CNN article)

From the WaPo, Trump would use the DOJ and FBI against his enemies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... univision/

" if I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them.’

His plan to purge government employment rosters of "non-loyalists" whose only crime is disagreeing with Trump. Which again is protected speech.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... 022-7?op=1

I read your links. Not even one of them says that Trump wants to imprison any that oppose him. Not even one reference to Trump saying that. Any interpretation of those articles to arrive at that conclusion is, well, FARMSish, at best. Nice work though, you did great seeing those things with your spiritual eyes. Nicely done.

This pretty much sums it up. CNN and WaPo post some opinions about what they think was meant by pieces of what was said and that opinion is translated to mean that was said actually meant something else and that proves that what Trump did not do is probably what he will do and that means that if you believe that to be true then yeah for the team that is the right team.

In the meantime. Trump did not incarcerate those who oppose him, or indict them. Well, except for maybe Kevin Clinesmith. But you know, that dude plead guilty for being a traitor. The same can't be said about the current administration, can it?

[Mayan_Elephant]

His plan to purge government employment rosters of "non-loyalists" whose only crime is disagreeing with Trump. Which again is protected speech.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... 022-7?op=1

This deserves an honorable mention. I need to revisit this. If you believe what you wrote, that is fine and dandy. If you don't believe it, but you said it anyways, that is fine and dandy too. If you know it is just a lie and a conspiracy and you said it as some kind of propaganda campaign, meh, not awesome but not original either. If you know it is an unsubstantiated lie and say it to manipulate elections or a process, you might go to prison.

You do realize that a few days after Biden took office - the DOJ went after a guy for making a political meme they did not like, right? Are you telling a joke or trying to be funny?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/social-m ... n-campaign

[dogbite]

How very mormon of you. You can't take his words at plain meaning. You have to interpret it. Do I need a seer stone too?

I'm not going to defend Biden. I don't like him. My point is Trump is proven fraudster, sex abuser and has no regard for other people. His actions and words prove it.

[wtfluff]

He wants to imprison any who oppose him.

What is your source for this?

Many opposed Trump when he was president? Who did he imprison?

'Member when Trump sent federal forces to Oregon in 2020?

https://apnews.com/article/b35e37208e26 ... 54c37d5d85




And, P.S. for anyone paying attention to other NOM threads, methinks Menacing Foes™ have invaded the Gov-Ment! (According to Soiled-Fowl.)

[Mayan_Elephant]

He wants to imprison any who oppose him.

What is your source for this?

Many opposed Trump when he was president? Who did he imprison?

'Member when Trump sent federal forces to Oregon in 2020?

https://apnews.com/article/b35e37208e26 ... 54c37d5d85

Demonstrators broke windows and did other damage, hurled rocks at the officers and shined lasers in their eyes.

Not sure what your point is here.

Are you saying that these people were vandalizing federal courthouses and threatening federal officers and that they should not have been arrested? Or, are you saying that this form of violence and vandalism is an acceptable expression of opposition to Trump? Help me out here, buddy.

I think we are getting closer to the problem. It seems, that violence, threats, and lawlessness is fine if it is in promotion of something you like. And, if it it is not something we like, we can repackage it to look like the Mayans were the people in the Book of Mormon.

Anyways, do you have any examples of Trump imprisoning any who opposed him? Or, any examples of him saying he would do that?

[wtfluff]

Anyways, do you have any examples of Trump imprisoning any who opposed him? Or, any examples of him saying he would do that?

Sending Federal forces to take care of "business" in a state that didn't want Federal "help?"

Pulling random people off the street, detaining them in unmarked vans for no reason?

Give us the Elephantine definition of the above please.

The single article I posted as an example is a tiny snippet.

[Mayan_Elephant]

Anyways, do you have any examples of Trump imprisoning any who opposed him? Or, any examples of him saying he would do that?

Sending Federal forces to take care of "business" in a state that didn't want Federal "help?"

Pulling random people off the street, detaining them in unmarked vans for no reason?

Give us the Elephantine definition of the above please.

The single article I posted as an example is a tiny snippet.

Was it a federal courthouse? Were they arrested for breaking shit or opposing Trump?

Looks like a case of FAFO to me. Consider it defined.

[Mayan_Elephant]

How very mormon of you. You can't take his words at plain meaning. You have to interpret it. Do I need a seer stone too?

I'm not going to defend Biden. I don't like him. My point is Trump is proven fraudster, sex abuser and has no regard for other people. His actions and words prove it.

Exact opposite, Elder. I am asking for the plain words and not your interpretation if WaPo’s interpretation of words that do not say what you are gaslighting they said.

[dogbite]

How very mormon of you. You can't take his words at plain meaning. You have to interpret it. Do I need a seer stone too?

I'm not going to defend Biden. I don't like him. My point is Trump is proven fraudster, sex abuser and has no regard for other people. His actions and words prove it.

Exact opposite, Elder. I am asking for the plain words and not your interpretation if WaPo’s interpretation of words that do not say what you are gaslighting they said.

You inferred what words I was attributing to trump based on alas content. You can't say those are my words and I'm gaslighting you. I showed trumps words where he comes for people for trivial reasons, or reasons that are legally allowed. If you want to play exact quote games, you failed. I never said trumps words were those, but words within that range.

try turning down your own gas lamp. You're blinding yourself.

But then Trump is a giant gasbag.

[Mayan_Elephant]

How very mormon of you. You can't take his words at plain meaning. You have to interpret it. Do I need a seer stone too?

I'm not going to defend Biden. I don't like him. My point is Trump is proven fraudster, sex abuser and has no regard for other people. His actions and words prove it.

Exact opposite, Elder. I am asking for the plain words and not your interpretation if WaPo’s interpretation of words that do not say what you are gaslighting they said.

You inferred what words I was attributing to trump based on alas content. You can't say those are my words and I'm gaslighting you. I showed trumps words where he comes for people for trivial reasons, or reasons that are legally allowed. If you want to play exact quote games, you failed. I never said trumps words were those, but words within that range.

try turning down your own gas lamp. You're blinding yourself.

But then Trump is a giant gasbag.

Great. So we agree. Trump did not say he would imprison any who opposed him. That never happened. Agreed?

[moksha]

The Republican objective of returning America to the antebellum plantation system, reverting politics to pre-Magna Carta, and ushering in the Fourth Reich seems closer than ever before. All that is needed is pumping out loads of propaganda to detach reader's minds from the truth.

[dogbite]

Great. So we agree. Trump did not say he would imprison any who opposed him. That never happened. Agreed?
[/quote]

No.
It would be naive to make such a statement. Rather we have no available record that Trump has uttered those exact words in that exact order.

However Trump has demonstrated disregard for anyone who disagrees with his views. He's demonstrated disregard for immigrants, people of color, LGBTQ, women, Christians, Muslims, Jews, veterans and other groups.

He's advocated a large concentration camp system for various categories of immigrants.

He doesn't care about people's rights with whom he disagrees.

He's expressed views about coming for people who disagree with him.

I find all those views abhorrent and rather unAmerican.

[Mayan_Elephant]

No.
It would be naive to make such a statement. Rather we have no available record that Trump has uttered those exact words in that exact order.

However Trump has demonstrated disregard for anyone who disagrees with his views. He's demonstrated disregard for immigrants, people of color, LGBTQ, women, Christians, Muslims, Jews, veterans and other groups.

He's advocated a large concentration camp system for various categories of immigrants.

He doesn't care about people's rights with whom he disagrees.

He's expressed views about coming for people who disagree with him.

I find all those views abhorrent and rather unAmerican.

Not having evidence or a record that something happened, but claiming it happened, reminds me of fast and testimony meeting.

Oh. So what evidence do you have for these new claims? Just pick a few if that helps.

I take it you won't be voting for Trump. Me neither.

I do think that generally, those that claim that a person is doing something that is not actually being done by that person - are often projecting. Groups that claim another group is doing something that is not actually being done, are almost ALWAYS projecting.

[wtfluff]

Was it a federal courthouse? Were they arrested for breaking shit or opposing Trump?

None of the above.

But as others have mentioned in other parts of the thread, you have your mormon-elephantine blinders on, no further "discussion" necessary.