Warren vs Gandhi

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Warren vs Gandhi

Post by SaidNobody » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:17 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 37411.html

This is an interesting take on a similar but different situation. It seems that a mostly accepted spiritual leader might have been a prev.

Gandhi had many inappropriate relationships while promoting chastity. Like Warren Jeffs, Gandhi slept with other men's wives while telling them they shouldn't sleep with each other.

Many of his own staff quit or publicly criticized him, and a lot of documentation was destroyed. But, because of his status much of his sexual misdeeds were down played.

Question. Does a person's weirdness diminish their wisdom? JS said that truth was truth no matter where it was found. Is a phrase like "be the change you want to see in the world" suddenly invalid if Gandhi is a prev?

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by RubinHighlander » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:54 am

Never knew that crap on Gandhi but it does not surprise me.
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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by SaidNobody » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:22 am

RubinHighlander wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:54 am
Never knew that crap on Gandhi but it does not surprise me.
My point is, even though I was warned off of "hero worship" since childhood, I've always respected Gandhi's wisdom. And even before I ran across this article, I was mildly aware there was something weird about his female followers. Women flocked to him. He would spend many "questionable hours" with groups of women.

But, wisdom is wisdom. Regardless of what he did, some of the things he came up with are pretty good.

Recently, more so after studying Karl Jung, I've come to realize that the "powers of life" would never get Church Approval. In fact, they would be banned.

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by RubinHighlander » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:50 pm

So it could be argued that this same type of thing is why JS was successful in his wooing of women. Although I'd peg Gandhi higher on the original wisdom ranking than JS because of how much JS borrowed from existing sources.
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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by SaidNobody » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:01 pm

RubinHighlander wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:50 pm
So it could be argued that this same type of thing is why JS was successful in his wooing of women. Although I'd peg Gandhi higher on the original wisdom ranking than JS because of how much JS borrowed from existing sources.
Not exactly fair. Gandhi had 100 of advanced technology and 5000 years of rather amazing philosophy to fall back on.

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by Give It Time » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:39 pm

This is one I still have problems shaking hands with. I knew about Gandhi. Have known about five years.

As you say, though, wisdom is wisdom. Should we regard the source. Not an easy answer. Two quotes I spout regularly:

80% of life is just showing up. --Woody Allen (frequently attributed to him)

Every generation has to reinvent the wheel. --My father

I figure the fact that I can quote my father is a pretty good indicator I have released a lot of pain regarding him.

Woody?

Got me, there.
At 70 years-old, my older self would tell my younger self to use the words, "f*ck off" much more frequently. --Helen Mirren

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by SaidNobody » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:58 am

Give It Time wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:39 pm
This is one I still have problems shaking hands with. I knew about Gandhi. Have known about five years.

As you say, though, wisdom is wisdom. Should we regard the source. Not an easy answer. Two quotes I spout regularly:

80% of life is just showing up. --Woody Allen (frequently attributed to him)

Every generation has to reinvent the wheel. --My father

I figure the fact that I can quote my father is a pretty good indicator I have released a lot of pain regarding him.

Woody? I

Got me, there.
This "problem" is perhaps a level of evolution. Ultimately, God is inside of us, a kind of swarm consciousness of humanity. Some day we will be born with that innate connection.

For now, I think it is natural to look for a guru or icon to model ourselves after. We are not the last or the first in this process.

In a way, we are just runners in a relay race. But, hopefully each generation gets a little smarter. And, in that race, is personal achievement more important than group achievement.

In 100 years, no one will remember me, but Mormons should still be around. Mormonism is my immortality project.

Will Mormon kids be faster to achieve inner awareness and wisdom? If I can help, sure.
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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by Give It Time » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:56 pm

SaidNobody wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:58 am
Give It Time wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:39 pm
This is one I still have problems shaking hands with. I knew about Gandhi. Have known about five years.

As you say, though, wisdom is wisdom. Should we regard the source. Not an easy answer. Two quotes I spout regularly:

80% of life is just showing up. --Woody Allen (frequently attributed to him)

Every generation has to reinvent the wheel. --My father

I figure the fact that I can quote my father is a pretty good indicator I have released a lot of pain regarding him.

Woody? I

Got me, there.
This "problem" is perhaps a level of evolution. Ultimately, God is inside of us, a kind of swarm consciousness of humanity. Some day we will be born with that innate connection.

For now, I think it is natural to look for a guru or icon to model ourselves after. We are the last or the first in this process.

In a way, we are just runners in a relay race. But, hopefully each generation gets a little smarter. And, in that race, is personal achievement more important than group achievement.

In 100 years, no one will remember me, but Mormons should still be around. Mormonism is my immortality project.

Will Mormon kids be faster to achieve inner awareness and wisdom? If I can help, sure.

Interesting immortality project.

That's actually a good question to ask people. I think most would say their children, but you never know.
At 70 years-old, my older self would tell my younger self to use the words, "f*ck off" much more frequently. --Helen Mirren

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by Mad Jax » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Give It Time wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:39 pm
This is one I still have problems shaking hands with. I knew about Gandhi. Have known about five years.

As you say, though, wisdom is wisdom. Should we regard the source. Not an easy answer. Two quotes I spout regularly:

80% of life is just showing up. --Woody Allen (frequently attributed to him)

Every generation has to reinvent the wheel. --My father

I figure the fact that I can quote my father is a pretty good indicator I have released a lot of pain regarding him.

Woody?

Got me, there.
As a kid I had neighbors of Bharata heritage who casually chatted about Gandhi with my parents so I heard a lot of that stuff before I knew he was heavily revered. I honestly thought everyone knew most of it but that was from a kid's eyes.
Free will is a golden thread flowing through the matrix of fixed events.

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by SaidNobody » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:27 pm

Mad Jax wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:48 pm
Give It Time wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:39 pm
This is one I still have problems shaking hands with. I knew about Gandhi. Have known about five years.

As you say, though, wisdom is wisdom. Should we regard the source. Not an easy answer. Two quotes I spout regularly:

80% of life is just showing up. --Woody Allen (frequently attributed to him)

Every generation has to reinvent the wheel. --My father

I figure the fact that I can quote my father is a pretty good indicator I have released a lot of pain regarding him.

Woody?

Got me, there.
As a kid I had neighbors of Bharata heritage who casually chatted about Gandhi with my parents so I heard a lot of that stuff before I knew he was heavily revered. I honestly thought everyone knew most of it but that was from a kid's eyes.
I haven't read much about Gandhi. I watched a couple movies about him. He was great, but even a movie intended to make him look good couldn't hide that he was a little weird.

My point, I read a little from Warren Jeff's.
Much of what he said could make sense. But, he is also psycho. Those conditioned to hear those words fell for him. Probably like those that followed Gandhi.

Why do they follow these types?

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Re: Warren vs Gandhi

Post by moksha » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:26 am

I think I will wait for the reviews if this self-promoted book is ever published.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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