This garment underwear crack down is WEIRD!

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Red Ryder
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This garment underwear crack down is WEIRD!

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Trigger warning. It’s a hot steaming pile of poo.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... tCSdIh7SSw

Jeffry R Holland lets us k ow his underwear reminds him of promises he made to god.
We wear this garment beneath our outer clothing. Whatever responsibilities I have, whatever roles I play in life, whatever the duties of daily living require, beneath it all are my covenants—always and forever. Beneath it all are those sacred promises to which I desperately cling. The garment isn’t flaunted or shown off before the world, and neither are my covenants. But I do keep both close to me—as close as I possibly can. They are intensely personal and supremely sacred.
Puke! But it gets better….
In remembering those covenants, those two-way promises, we wear the garment throughout our lives. This practice reflects our desire for the Savior to be a constant influence in our lives. Other beloved symbols are periodic. We are baptized once in our lives. We partake of the sacrament once a week. We attend the temple as circumstances permit. But the garment of the holy priesthood is different: this symbol we honor every day and night.

And that’s the way covenants are—not set aside out of convenience or carelessness and not modified to fit the styles and fashions of society. In the life of a disciple of Jesus Christ, the ways of the world must be modified to align with our covenants, not the other way around.

When we put on the garment, we are, as the First Presidency has taught, putting on a sacred symbol of Jesus Christ. That being the case, why would we ever look for an excuse to take that symbol off? Why would we deprive ourselves of the promise of power, protection, and mercy the garment represents? On the contrary, whenever we do have to temporarily remove the garment, we should be eager to put it back on, as soon as possible, because we remember both the promises and the perils that give meaning to our covenants. Above all, we remember the cross and empty tomb of Christ.

Some might say, “I have other ways to remember Jesus.” And I would respond, that’s wonderful. The more the better. Let’s all think of as many ways as we can to keep our commitment to “always remember him.” But in so doing, it would be disingenuous to intentionally neglect the reminder the Lord Himself gave to the endowed, the garment of the holy priesthood.
This has to be the most manipulated indoctrination piece ever.
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Please don’t misunderstand. As you reach out for divine guidance, the Spirit will not inspire you to do less than follow the instruction received in the temple and the prophetic counsel shared by the First Presidency in their recent statement.
“It always devolves to Pantaloons. Always.” ~ Fluffy

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I wonder if Jeff actually has any idea about the history of how and why Joseph plagiarized the Masonic Pantaloons.

If he does, everything in this post is misdirection and lying. SURPRISE! :o
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I honestly think this is the dying throes of garments. Leadership keeps cracking down, but it has not worked over the past few years, as evidenced by leadership continuing to crack down. The younger generation are just not having it. The older crowd will continue complaining and trying to shame them, but my guess is garments will be down the memory hole within a generation. And good riddance, it was one of the dumbest ideas Smith ever had.
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I'm still failing to see the connection between garments and Jesus. :?

Ditching gs was awesome! I can wear tank tops in the summer, and it is the best thing ever.
sparky wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:18 pm The younger generation are just not having it.
Good for them!
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MoPag wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:28 pm I'm still failing to see the connection between garments and Jesus. :?
I get the feeling that the rising generation isn't responding to the only motivational tools the leaders know how to use so we're seeing a rash of leaders pulling the "Jesus card" as a last act of desperation.

The rising generation is ignoring all our insistences about wearing garments? Well the garment represents Jesus. Now how do you feel about them? Are you feeling guilty enough to start wearing them again?

That or it's an overreaction to criticism that the church didn't focus enough on Jesus.

The garments are Jesus. Temple steeples are Jesus. The leaky roof in the mother's lounge is Jesus. See, we talk about Jesus.
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Yeah they play the Jesus card like they had the copyright on Jesus.
But Jesus was here before the Church was.
And the best place to learn about Jesus is still the four gospels, not in some borrowed temple ceremony.
The only thing I remember about garments is that the one piecers never fit right. :?
I was going to go into more detail, but I won't.
Besides the title of this thread says it all.
Thanks Red Ryder. You are inspired. :lol:
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Joseph Smith took his off apparently before being killed in Carthage. I thought we are to believe that they give us some sort of protection. He kept his jupiter talisman on though right? And we don't hear anything in the bible about garments do we? :roll:
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Would it help if the Church Garment Department were to make a line of women's garments designed by Victoria's Secret? They could be called Victoria's Sacred.
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"and there is forever and ever your Father in Heaven, who knows you and loves you and understands everything about your circumstances. He would be thrilled to have you ask Him these questions personally.Please don’t misunderstand. As you reach out for divine guidance, the Spirit will not inspire you to do less than follow the instruction received in the temple and the prophetic counsel shared by the First Presidency in their recent statement".

Gotta love Hollands disclaimer here. I for one frequently reach out to Heavenly Father and it is often contrary to the will of the First Presidency. This guilt disclaimer forces members to ignore Spiritual promptings but instead just listen to the First Presidency. This is exactly what they want. Total BS.
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