Saturday Sabbath

[dogbite]

I was looking into the origin of the 7 day week. There are two parallel developments. The Jewish with which we're all familiar. Like so much of the old testament, it's origin seems to be much later than the old testament itself would indicate. No earlier than the early roman period.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/hebrew-jewish/res ... -near-east

The 24 hour day comes from the Egyptians. The rest is a kind of numerology-astrology mashup.

https://www.practicaltheurgy.com/planet ... tary-week/

You've got 7 planets as they thought of things orbiting the earth. The sun, Mercury, Venus Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the moon. The 7 planets each rule over a different hour of the day. For the cycle to complete it's 7x24=168 hours, 7 days.

No matter whether you prefer the Jewish or the Roman origin it's not as old as the scriptures tell us. And pagan no matter whether you prefer the Jewish or the Roman, for the hebrew were pagan then worshiping ashira yahweh baa, baalal and others.

[moksha]

Emperor Constantine knew what work meant for the Empire and did not want an excess of religious holidays to distract people from their work. Why allow a Jewish/Christian Sabbath on Saturday, when the next day for the Sun God Mithra would serve the same purpose? Best to concatenate the religious celebrations to the same day, so the Sun Day became the Lord's Day with the agreement of religious leaders -- can't say no to the Emperor.

Edict of Constantine
On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:

On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.

[Hagoth]

Way to resurrect a topic, Moksha!

A lot of the New Testament is suspiciously Roman-friendly, if you ask me. Ok, the Romans crucified Jesus, but we're told that Pilate really didn't want to; those damn Jews made him do it! But from what contemporary sources tell us about Pilate, he had no qualms about crucifying locals, especially when it came to radical upstarts like Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus tells us to render to Caesar that which is Caesar's. He tells us that if a man asks for our coat we should give him our cloak, and if he asks us to walk a mile, we should walk two. These are references to how subjects should submit to Roman citizens. Side note: kind of weird how they ended up in ancient America too.

[deacon blues]

These are excellent points being made Moksha and Hagoth.
Predictably, it seems like the most likely explanation for religious doctrine is human rather than divine.
The of predilection of Matthew's anonymous author to put the blame on the Jews instead of the Romans for Jesus's death, and to demonize the Pharisees and Scribes, is veeerrrrryyyyyy suspicious.

[Bonfire]

I was looking into the origin of the 7 day week. [...]
The 24 hour day comes from the Egyptians. The rest is a kind of numerology-astrology mashup. [...]

You've got 7 planets as they thought of things orbiting the earth. The sun, Mercury, Venus Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the moon. The 7 planets each rule over a different hour of the day. For the cycle to complete it's 7x24=168 hours, 7 days.

No matter whether you prefer the Jewish or the Roman origin it's not as old as the scriptures tell us. And pagan no matter whether you prefer the Jewish or the Roman, for the hebrew were pagan then worshiping ashira yahweh baa, baalal and others.

We have five fingers on one hand and there are 365 days per year: Why would we use 7 days per week when there are superior divisors?

There could just as easily be 9 days per week with Uranus and Neptune added, with a day for every equinox/solstice and two or three for summer solstice every fifth year until every fifth-fifth when there are four days; then a jubilee every fiftieth to forgive debts in Israel, as described in Leviticus 25: That'd 40 weeks per year and five, six, or seven Sun-Days each year, 5th, or 25th; which adds up to six 36-day months (thirty-six 9-day weeks), three 37-day months (three 10-day weeks), and one 37 or 38 or 39 day month each year (one 10 or 11 or 12-day week); four 10-week seasons.

Also consider that about every 3 weeks (27.3 days), is enough time for our moon to revolve around the Earth and return to its same position facing the stars; to return to its same position facing the earth, there are 29.5 days.
Here's where a wrench gets thrown in: To make up for lost time (.3 days) on the moon's revolution to face the stars with 9-day weeks, a day must be added to the cycle every 3.333~ cycles, which happens to be 90-days, or ten weeks; To face the Earth (traditional moon phases), 5-days are added to the cycle every two revolutions, or 1 day is added every week, except the first week of the double cycle (six weeks).

Back to five day weeks: Are there any benefits to 73 week years with one six-day week on leap-years?

Do you think there are benefits to a debt jubilee or are system that do not use negative numbers less prone to corruption?

What would happen to our arithmetic system if we were to take out zero by having a number between 9 and 10, then start at 11.
For example: -2, -1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 1A, 21 [...]
-3 * -3 would be 4 (when does that ever happen?) and if you give someone something, how many things do you have left? One, because someone else has our thing. If your thing is given away again (second time), then you are going to be missing one; we no longer have it.

Why do we need placeholders for both "not one" and "zero:" Isn't "not one" nothing?

In our society we do not start counting at zero, we begin at 1, which is why there are 365 days each year, not 364. However, in our society there are software and hardware which do count 0 as its own entity and our numbering system includes 10, rather than 'A' followed by 'eleven,' though we could make life easy for ourselves and pronounce 'A' as 'ten' and '1A' as 'twenty' in order to do away with zero.

These facts from the Bible, Mathematics, Astronomy, and Modern History demonstrate our conglomerate culture, which adopts various religious and societal aspects from around our world, including in the Bible itself! Unity around seventh day sabbath could be replaced by a 3-day weekend every 15-days (unless there's a 4, 5, or 6-day solstice or equinox week), however we need to be unified about what rest is, so respect for existing people requires 7-day weeks and a Sabbath on the seventh day and a day off from work on Sunday because of the Romans, who rest by going to church and allow 12 year old girls to give the death penalty.

We live in a world where people believe God is at rest: They are from day 7; God is not yet finished: They are from day 5; or that God's work is complete: They are from day 6. Each of the days from 1 to "7" exists within the previous day, like a concentric circle. Day one hasn't ended yet because day 7 is not complete: Rest on the 7th day to get over everyone who believes God is at rest; "Rest" at church on Sunday to help everyone that rested Saturday.

[moksha]

There could just as easily be 9 days per week with Uranus and Neptune added,

Imagine the sly smiles on the Roman faces when they announced it was Uranusday at the baths.

[Bonfire]

There could just as easily be 9 days per week with Uranus and Neptune added,

Imagine the sly smiles on the Roman faces when they announced it was Uranusday at the baths.

Imagine introducing the concept of zero to people that do not believe in nothing:
Introducer: "Numbers go from one to ten."
People: "Yep."
Introducer: "The number before 1 is "zero.""
People: "Nope."
Introducer: "Come on, yeah it is. If I don't have something I have nothing."
People: "No: If you don't have it then you need it. Be real!"
Introducer: "No, then I lack something, which is negative."
People: "No, then you want someone to give you a gift, which is positive."
Introducer: "Okay, who is going to give me a gift?"
People: "i will, once i can find someone else exactly alike and everything is multiplied together."
Introducer: "But you're the only you in the universe!"
People: "Unreal, isn't it?"

Introducer: "Oh it's real! As real as Zionsday!"
People: "Zionsday?! When is Zionsday?"
Introducer: "After Friday."
People: "Isn't that Saturday?"
Introducer: "No, that's the day after."
People: "...you mean Sunday?"
Introducer: "No, that's either the first or the last day of the week, after Saturday."
People: "This we know."
Introducer: "When Sunday is the first day you have Friday through Saturday off."
People: "So when Monday is the first day you have Saturday and Sunday off?"
Introducer: "No, you get Zionsday through Sunday off."
People: "Oh, so Zionsday is the seventh day now?"
Introducer: "Only when Monday is the first day of the week."
People: "So when Sunday is the first day the sixth day is Friday."
Introducer: "No, that's Humesday."
People: "..."
Introducer: "You work six days per week either way and have a three day weekend."
People: "How can I have a 3 day weekend working six days?"
Introducer: "Weeks are 9 days long unless you get a zodiac day: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Humesday, Friday, Zionsday, Saturday."
People: "Zodiac day?"
Introducer: "Yes: You get a Goatday every 10 weeks, a Dogday every year, a Catday every five years, and a Horseday every 25 years."
People: "That's a tough summer week!"
Introducer: "Not as tough as teaching you about nothing."

[dogbite]

There could just as easily be 9 days per week with Uranus and Neptune added,

Those aren't visible to the naked eye or things would surely have been different as you note.

It could be any number of course. It's arbitrary. But our historical path in the west sources heavily from Rome. We used the Julian calendar for centuries untill the slight correction of the Gregorian calendar.

[Bonfire]

There could just as easily be 9 days per week with Uranus and Neptune added,

Those aren't visible to the naked eye or things would surely have been different as you note.

It could be any number of course. It's arbitrary. But our historical path in the west sources heavily from Rome. We used the Julian calendar for centuries untill the slight correction of the Gregorian calendar.

To the naked eye, perhaps not, yet with machinery, yes, and we've remained civil long enough to notice.
Imagine if Palestine and Israel adopted this common calendar in a dual-state of polycentric law, as justice and district courts operate in the United States.

There will be times when this 9 day week calendar aligns with the 7 day calendar without clashing with a zodiac day.