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Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:30 pmWe are no longer the knights who say "Ni"

Linked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:27 am - 1990-2018 - Russel M. Nelson waits patiently for 28 years for Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson to die, meanwhile the church spends millions on the "I am a Mormon" campaign to make "mormon" a badge to be proud of.

deacon blues wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:27 am D&C 107:
2 Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest.
3 Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God.
4 But out of respect or reverence to the name of the Supreme Being, to avoid the too frequent repetition of his name, they, the church, in ancient days, called that priesthood after Melchizedek, or the Melchizedek Priesthood.

Can we be Respectful and Reverent if we "too frequently repeat his name?"

wtfluff wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:37 am

Linked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:27 am - 1990-2018 - Russel M. Nelson waits patiently for 28 years for Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson to die, meanwhile the church spends millions on the "I am a Mormon" campaign to make "mormon" a badge to be proud of.

Don't forget:

- 2014 - The theatrical release of the "Meet the Mormons" movie. Wards were literally encouraged to rent out entire theaters to make the box-office numbers "look good."

wtfluff wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:37 am

Linked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:27 am - 1990-2018 - Russel M. Nelson waits patiently for 28 years for Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson to die, meanwhile the church spends millions on the "I am a Mormon" campaign to make "mormon" a badge to be proud of.

Don't forget:

- 2014 - The theatrical release of the "Meet the Mormons" movie. Wards were literally encouraged to rent out entire theaters to make the box-office numbers "look good."

annotatedbom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:01 pm Hey Atlanticmike, welcome to NOM. It's a great place because of the folks here. I hope you enjoy your time here.

Like you and others have pointed out, the name change is a huge problem in consistency. If the Church were really being led by an all-knowing, all-powerful God, why all the flip-flopping?

I posted about this here, but as I recall, the only thing that post adds to your thread is that there was an entire multi-million dollar, international media PR campaign to promote the Church not that many years ago called "I'm a Mormon." Kind of odd that God would allow them to waste the widow's mite to promote a colossal victory for Stan. It's almost as if the Church has no special connection with God.

And you mentioned this whole move to get away from using the term "Mormon" kind of feels like it's taking a part of your identity away. That makes sense. I think we were taught to identify with it in a positive way. It sounds like you might be mourning what the Church used to mean to you. If that's right, I'm sorry you're going through that. It can be sad and lonely to let go of what you thought the Church or the general leaders of the Church were.

Peace to you amigo,
A-BoM

2bizE wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 pm

Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:34 am So I've been studying church history the past 2 months. I guess you could say I'm going through a faith crisis. I don't do social media, infact the first real time I've actually opened an account to talk to people online would be on the md&d board. It's a great board but some questions I dont feel like I can ask, so that's why I joined you guys.
One of my biggest gripes about the church, or more particularly what pres. Nelson said a couple years ago, is that the word Mormon is considered a victory for satan when we use it instead of the correct name of the church. I've watched his talk over and over, and cant get past the fact that it seems like what he's saying is purely a business decision instead of a spiritual decision. In 1990 pres. Hinckley said the word Mormon means "more good" and the name can bring luster, honor and respect to the church. Two opposing views that make absolutely no sense to me. Personally, I dont want to be known as a Christian, xxxk that, if the church is true I feel like we stand up and proclaim its truth, and a word like "mormon " cant hurt the truth, just like Pres. Hinckley said. Anyways, thanks for reading this, would love to hear your opinion and if your interested in some of my views I have posted on the pro board over 500 times in the past 2 and a half months.

I’m glad you came over to our group and posted some wonderful thoughts. I enjoy posting at MDD because I get attacked like flies on a cow pie with every thoughts I post.
I understand your concern with the word Mormon and have similar feelings. For 34 years, RMN has disliked the word Mormon. He has spoken about it a few times and was rebuked a bit for it by Hinkley I believe. So upon rising to power, as his wife stated that he had been waiting for a long time to make a bunch of changes. Changing how members call themselves Mormon was just one of the changes. The whole bit about Mormon being a spawn of Satan was a bit of drama. I have not yet changed calling Mormons, Mormons. I was born Mormon and will continue to use that word. I do call those who choose not to use the word Mormon anti-Mormons. It’s unfortunate that RMN has turned the church against itself in this way. After he and Oaks die, I think the craziness will die down a bit...until Bednar takes over, then a new level of craziness will start. Don’t put too much thought into this change to anti-Mormonism, it will blow by soon enough. I can tell you most people in this group don’t really put much thought into the Alpha male banging his chest for everyone to hear and see....

annotatedbom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:01 pm Hey Atlanticmike, welcome to NOM. It's a great place because of the folks here. I hope you enjoy your time here.

Like you and others have pointed out, the name change is a huge problem in consistency. If the Church were really being led by an all-knowing, all-powerful God, why all the flip-flopping?

I posted about this here, but as I recall, the only thing that post adds to your thread is that there was an entire multi-million dollar, international media PR campaign to promote the Church not that many years ago called "I'm a Mormon." Kind of odd that God would allow them to waste the widow's mite to promote a colossal victory for Stan. It's almost as if the Church has no special connection with God.

And you mentioned this whole move to get away from using the term "Mormon" kind of feels like it's taking a part of your identity away. That makes sense. I think we were taught to identify with it in a positive way. It sounds like you might be mourning what the Church used to mean to you. If that's right, I'm sorry you're going through that. It can be sad and lonely to let go of what you thought the Church or the general leaders of the Church were.

Peace to you amigo,
A-BoM

Linked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:27 am I think the timeline of GC talks about Mormonism is telling. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse...

Timeline of Mormon Talks:

- April 1990 - Russel M. Nelson gives "Thus Shall My Church Be Called" talk, denouncing the use of the word Mormon.

- October 1990 - Gordon B. Hinckley gives "Mormon Should Mean “More Good”" talk, forgiving those that would call us Mormons and encouraging members to make "mormon" a badge to be proud of, putting Nelson in his place in a way.

- 1990-2018 - Russel M. Nelson waits patiently for 28 years for Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson to die, meanwhile the church spends millions on the "I am a Mormon" campaign to make "mormon" a badge to be proud of.

- 2018 - Thomas S. Monson dies and Russel M. Nelson becomes prophet.

- 2018 - Russel M. Nelson gives "The Correct Name of the Church" talk calling the use of the word "mormon" a victory for Satan, and putting Gordon B. Hinckley in his place as a disgraced former prophet who was wrong.

hmb wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:41 am I'm not good with acronyms. What is MDD?

hmb wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:41 am I'm not good with acronyms. What is MDD?

hmb wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:41 am I'm not good with acronyms. What is MDD?

wtfluff wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:37 am - 2014 - The theatrical release of the "Meet the Mormons" movie. Wards were literally encouraged to rent out entire theaters to make the box-office numbers "look good."

Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:03 pm I've been thinking a lot about the church moving away from using the word Mormon and I'm starting to feel that in the future there's a chance that they might also drop "latter day saints". The name of the church isn't just a name, it's also a statement. For how long after the millennium can you consider yourself a "latter day Saint"?
One thing I've learned lately is, from 1998 to the end of 2000, 51 temples were dedicated, doubling the number of temples worldwide to 102 by the end of 2000.To me, when I think about that, it makes me feel like someone high up in the church thought christ might be coming back at the millennium. Am I looking at the wrong? If so, why else would they build 51 temples in 3 years when it took over 160 years to build the first 51 temples.