RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

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RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by consiglieri » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:20 pm

Just had the hearing.

We won!

The Utah Records Committee just voted unanimously that the BYUPD improperly classified the police reports AND the audio tapes of the interviews as not subject to GRAMA.

Judge Laura Scott has still not issued her ruling in the other case on appeal before her, and this decision by the Records Committee is subject to her ruling that BYUPD is a governmental agency and is therefore subject to GRAMA.

Which is what everybody, including the five-member State Records Committee, understands she is going to do.

This is Radio Free Mormon signing off the air!

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Post by wtfluff » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:40 pm

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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Red Ryder » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:21 pm

So what's next?
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Just This Guy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:32 pm

Great! I'm looking forward to your next episode about this.
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by consiglieri » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:47 pm

I hope the episode can go up tonight.

I actually recorded the hearing as it was taking place!

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Post by moksha » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:34 pm

consiglieri wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:20 pm
Just had the hearing.

We won!
... AND the audio tapes of the interviews as not subject to GRAMA.
How is the ruling that the tapes are not subject to GRAMA a win?
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Corsair » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:29 pm

moksha wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:34 pm
How is the ruling that the tapes are not subject to GRAMA a win?
Consiglieri and any other interested party should be able to acquire full, unredacted versions of the interviews. We do not know what we will find out.

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Post by consiglieri » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:25 pm

An eight minute episode of RFM just went up in which the entire hearing is captured for the record.

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... on-appeal/

I think it is pretty amusing, if I do say so myself!

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Post by Mormorrisey » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Great stuff - can't wait to hear the interview with McKenna. Some great work, consiglieri!
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Just This Guy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:45 pm

One question here.

Other than being required to release properly redacted copies of the materiel in question, will there be any other repercussions for the BYUPD for not following state law?
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by consiglieri » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:39 am

Just This Guy wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:45 pm
One question here.

Other than being required to release properly redacted copies of the materiel in question, will there be any other repercussions for the BYUPD for not following state law?
Not if they promptly release the records ordered by the Committee.

In some states, governmental agencies can get fined a penalty per day for not releasing records prior to appellate review, but I don't see that in the GRAMA statute.

If they continue to refuse without appealing, however, there could be monetary ramifications.

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Post by Hagoth » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:54 am

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Is there any chance that the released evidence might be incomplete, as in, "well, here it is. We know you expected more but this is all we can find."
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by redjay » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:45 am

some people have celebrities they would love to hang out with: mine is RFM
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Post by blazerb » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:27 am

I got a little dopamine burst when I saw the episode posted this morning. Well done.

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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Advocate » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:27 pm

consiglieri wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:20 pm
Just had the hearing.

We won!

The Utah Records Committee just voted unanimously that the BYUPD improperly classified the police reports AND the audio tapes of the interviews as not subject to GRAMA.

Judge Laura Scott has still not issued her ruling in the other case on appeal before her, and this decision by the Records Committee is subject to her ruling that BYUPD is a governmental agency and is therefore subject to GRAMA.

Which is what everybody, including the five-member State Records Committee, understands she is going to do.

This is Radio Free Mormon signing off the air!
The ruling came out today, BYU lost. BYU PD is subject to GRAMA:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/13/ ... should-be/

Hopefully we'll be seeing all the records from the BYU PD soon!

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Post by deacon blues » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:46 pm

This is good. The Church would like to turn Utah, but especially B.Y.U. into it own little country, just like Joseph Smith wanted to do with Nauvoo. I'm glad to see that not everybody goes along with that.
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by DPRoberts » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:00 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:54 am
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Is there any chance that the released evidence might be incomplete, as in, "well, here it is. We know you expected more but this is all we can find."
Maybe they are casting for the Rose Mary Woods role even as we speak ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Mary_Woods
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by moksha » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:38 pm

Advocate wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:27 pm
The ruling came out today, BYU lost. BYU PD is subject to GRAMA:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/13/ ... should-be/
Would the Church's next level of appeal be to the Utah State Supreme Court?
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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by jfro18 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:32 am

Advocate wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:27 pm

The ruling came out today, BYU lost. BYU PD is subject to GRAMA:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/13/ ... should-be/

Hopefully we'll be seeing all the records from the BYU PD soon!
This is great - you'd think the one true church would be happy with transparency, but glad we'll get a little bit of it one way or another.

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Re: RFM Wins on Appeal Before Utah Records Committee!

Post by Just This Guy » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:44 am

I am seeing that Judge Scott released her detailed ruling yesterday, according to the SLT. Anyone have a link? I can't find the actual text of it.
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