Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

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Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

Post by moksha » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:02 am

It seems such a shame that Joseph never had time to fully translate (channel) and publish the Book of Zelph from these Kinderhook Plates. It would have enriched the Mormon canon and provided a scriptural basis for using the right hand only for taking the Sacrament and for sustaining purposes.

The story of how Nephite maidens, such as Helenumtumr, earned eternal Celestial glory for their families by giving themselves to God's chosen prophet would have been most instructive for the daughters of Zion.
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Re: Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

Post by blazerb » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:02 pm

Weren't they supposed to talk about the descendants of Ham? Perhaps they would clarify why the bishop takes the sacrament first and apostles stand first at the end of the meeting. I am sure these souls always wore white shirts to church as they tried to overcome their fallen state.

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Re: Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

Post by moksha » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:33 am

blazerb wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:02 pm
Weren't they supposed to talk about the descendants of Ham?
Are you talking about Spam, Bratwurst, Bacon, and Bacon's Canadian cousin?
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Re: Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

Post by Hagoth » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:40 am

Wouldn't it be amazing if we had that translation? It would serve two purposes. For doubters it would be a smoking gun that Joseph was pulling it out of the nether regions. For apologists it would be further proof that "translate" doesn't mean translate, and would dilute some of the force created by that sucking hole of logic coming from the direction of the Book of Abraham.

Here's a thought. Maybe the church should just accept the Voorie Plates, the Michigan Relics, and similar artifacts that so many Mormons have believed in and take an "it's all good" attitude.
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Re: Thoughts on the Kinderhook Plates

Post by moksha » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:14 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:40 am
Here's a thought. Maybe the church should just accept the Voorie Plates, the Michigan Relics, and similar artifacts that so many Mormons have believed in and take an "it's all good" attitude.
BYU could launch its own traveling archeological exhibit.

Are you talking about Spam, Bratwurst, Bacon, and Bacon's Canadian cousin?
Don't forget Ham's Italian granddaughter, Morta Della.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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