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Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:11 am
by document
For some odd reason, Abinadi keeps running through my head today.
I re-read his sermon to the wicked King Noah and realized that were someone to stand up and preach that way to an LDS congregation and so boldly in the face of criticism from leadership, he wouldn't be burned alive, but would definitely stand excommunicated. He is, after all, giving a sermon on the Trinity.
The first time I realized that he was actually giving a Trinitarian message was when I read the book of Mormon without reading the chapter headings. I quickly turned to apologetics to explain why Abinadai wasn't a Trinitarian. Then, later on in life, I read the 1830 facsimile edition.
But, when I re-read it this morning (slow day at work, there is a lot of snow outside and hardly anyone came to work), I could see someone standing in front of a high council and being excommunicated for apostasy. Instead of the old picture in the BoM growing up of King Noah on his throne with two leopards on either side it would be a man in a suit with two counselors on either side. It wasn't a pretty picture.
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:56 am
by 20/20hind
There are so many holes and contradictions between doctrine that it's really just a huge mess. The gospel is so simple.(not) They can try and explain it away but for the people who are savvy, they will catch it. They just say, well Joseph was a modern prophet and he fixed that. He saw two seperate people so...ya, isn't it so awesome we have modern day prophets today.
The Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth and will bring man closer to cognitive dissonance than any other book ever has.
The first thing people tell you to do is read your scriptures if you are struggling with doubt. I tried that and it just created more doubt and ultimately helped me get out
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:03 am
by Vlad the Emailer
Yep, I still say Mosiah 15 has the best explanation of the trinity I've ever seen.
Funny how these things are so easily seen for what they are once a person lets themselves peek behind the curtain.
The below apologetic seeks to explain this away, but as with any apologetic, it requires one to radically reinterpret or completely ignore important aspects of what was said. Whatever it takes to avoid the simple fact that Joe was a trinitarian when he wrote it.
https://www.lds.org/manual/book-of-morm ... 6?lang=eng
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:07 am
by Hagoth
Wow, you're right, this is blatantly trinitarian.
There are some other goodies here too. Abinadi prooftexts Isaiah in the same incorrect way early Christians did and modern Christians continue to do, and he does it in King James wording.
Abinadi's sermon also includes one of what I like to call "oops" moments, when the author realizes that he has tipped his hat with an an anachronism and tries to slap a bandaid on it:
Mosiah 16:6 And now if Christ had not come into the world (oops!),
speaking of things to come as though they had already come (whew!), there could have been no redemption.
By the way, Abinidi isn't just for Sunday School, my son picked up a nifty Abinadi action figure at the Palmyra LDS bookstore:
I think he ended up getting sacrificed to a Decepticon or something.
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:21 am
by FiveFingerMnemonic
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:31 pm
by deacon blues
Hagoth wrote:Wow, you're right, this is blatantly trinitarian.
There are some other goodies here too. Abinadi prooftexts Isaiah in the same incorrect way early Christians did and modern Christians continue to do, and he does it in King James wording.
Abinadi's sermon also includes one of what I like to call "oops" moments, when the author realizes that he has tipped his hat with an an anachronism and tries to slap a bandaid on it:
Mosiah 16:6 And now if Christ had not come into the world (oops!),
speaking of things to come as though they had already come (whew!), there could have been no redemption.
By the way, Abinidi isn't just for Sunday School, my son picked up a nifty Abinadi action figure at the Palmyra LDS bookstore:
I think he ended up getting sacrificed to a Decepticon or something.
Re: Abinadi
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:11 pm
by achilles
deacon blues wrote:Hagoth wrote:Wow, you're right, this is blatantly trinitarian.
There are some other goodies here too. Abinadi prooftexts Isaiah in the same incorrect way early Christians did and modern Christians continue to do, and he does it in King James wording.
Abinadi's sermon also includes one of what I like to call "oops" moments, when the author realizes that he has tipped his hat with an an anachronism and tries to slap a bandaid on it:
Mosiah 16:6 And now if Christ had not come into the world (oops!),
speaking of things to come as though they had already come (whew!), there could have been no redemption.
By the way, Abinidi isn't just for Sunday School, my son picked up a nifty Abinadi action figure at the Palmyra LDS bookstore:
I think he ended up getting sacrificed to a Decepticon or something.
Yes, but does he have the Special Edition with Scourging F@##$%s?