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Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 11:05 am
by deacon blues
I think Mormons, especially TBM's are very susceptible to justifying censorship because they were raised in an environment where censorship was normal. "No evil speaking of the Lord's anointed" is subtle, but it is so pervasive. :cry:

Re: Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:46 pm
by moksha
I am wondering how solidly the LDS Church will join with the canonization of Charley Kirk and the elimination of transgender elements in our society.

Representatives Nancy Mace and Ronny Jackson (Trump's former physician) have both called for the institutionalization of Transgender individuals in America. (This is the same approach used in Russia.)

The LDS have been at war with the LGBTQ community for the last 20 years, but have fostered a particular vehemence toward transgender individuals. Joining forces with these extremists would help advance the social goals of the LDS Church.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/two- ... eople-call

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 28571.html

https://equality.house.gov/media-center ... ic-members

Re: Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 6:33 am
by moksha
Mormons need an alternative to embracing fascism.

Re: Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 7:06 am
by Hagoth
This is horrible stuff, Moksha, especially for those of us who are parents of trans children.

Just wondering why you put it here instead of starting a thread in the Coffee Shop? I will start a separate thread that relates more to the church, if you don't mind.

Re: Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:27 am
by alas
moksha wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 6:33 am Mormons need an alternative to embracing fascism.
Why? they went along with fascism when Hitler was taking over Germany and still when he was sending Jews to the gas chambers. They just keep their mouths shut and don’t stand up and call evil what it is. Easier to just go along approving of whatever government wants to do, not suggesting that one leader might be a bad choice to vote for, but talking like they support him and sending the MoTab to sing at his inauguration, and never once speaking out about the evil he is committing.

If people do not learn from “Never Forget” written at the entrance to a former concentration camp, then, yeah, they happily embrace fascism.

When hubby and I lived in West Berlin before the wall came down, we got to talk to Germans who had lived through Hitler coming to power. They wanted so badly to explain *why* they voted for fascism, to teach the world how to keep it from happening again. The first steps, before the book burnings, before their neighbors started disappearing, before it started acting like fascism. At the first, they only wanted food on the table, and Hitler gave them hope of making Germany great again.

When Trump picked THAT as his slogan and people didn’t recognize it, when I couldn’t explain that is exactly Hitler’s slogan. People just got angry that I dared point out what I saw, BECAUSE I used to talk to real people, real people who had been through it all before, because I have visited the museum at the old concentration camps, because my father was at Normandy and watched his buddies drown in 18 foot water because the boats couldn’t get near the beach to unload the men. Stupid, stupid people who refuse to remember, not the end of fascism in Germany, but the beginning. Oh, we are way past the beginning. The biggest difference was Hitler was a very smart dictator and Trump is an idiot. Not necessarily a good difference in today’s nuclear world.

Re: Censorship in the LDS church

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:49 pm
by moksha
Hagoth wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 7:06 am
This is horrible stuff, Moksha, especially for those of us who are parents of trans children.

Just wondering why you put it here instead of starting a thread in the Coffee Shop?
Sorry Hagoth. More readers seem drawn to this forum than the Coffee Shop (maybe it's the name), but Mormons need to be warned against the fascist nature of this stuff before it also becomes our doctrine.

Between the Apostles' known inclinations and hatreds, misinterpretations of inscriptions on the bullet casings at the scene of Charley Kirk's shooting, the actions of these Republican Congressmen, the Trump Administration, and the lingering remnants of Bircherism in Utah, the possibility exists for pushing the Brethren over the edge.

I do not want to see Stormtroopers riding in the covered wagons at the Pioneer Day Parade.