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by deacon blues
Thu Dec 04, 2025 11:23 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What was King David Really Like?
Replies: 2
Views: 5290

Re: What was King David Really Like?

Exactly. The Bible is likely full of propaganda. As is the Quran, The Book of Mormon, and all other "scripture."
by deacon blues
Thu Dec 04, 2025 11:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The simplest questions
Replies: 29
Views: 103167

Re: The simplest questions

Why don't LDS Churches, campuses, historical sites, etc not allow Free Speech?
by deacon blues
Thu Dec 04, 2025 11:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Freedom of Speech is a secular concept.
Replies: 0
Views: 358

Freedom of Speech is a secular concept.

Some of you know of my hobby- reading history. I'm currently reading parallel diaries of David O. McKay and Ernest Wilkinson, president of BYU during the 1960's. In 1968 Wilkinson held a Dean's meeting where the topic of campus unrest and free speech came up. Wilkinson reports in his diary that a ...
by deacon blues
Sat Nov 29, 2025 9:12 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Hugh Thompson Jr.
Replies: 0
Views: 1508

Hugh Thompson Jr.

I suspect most viewers don't know who Hugh Thompson Jr. was. He was the soldier who ended the My Lai massacre in Viet Nam. He stopped other men from following illegal orders to murder non-combatants. If you don't know the story, google My Lai massacre or Hugh Thompson Jr. It is important to ...
by deacon blues
Fri Nov 28, 2025 4:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The simplest questions
Replies: 29
Views: 103167

Re: The simplest questions

I've been reading Ernest Wilkinson's (Pres. of BYU from 1951-71, for you young folks) diarys. Why did the Church waffle back and forth from 1954 to 1962 about whether to move Ricks College (Now BYU-I) from Rexburg to Idaho Falls? :shock: Wilkinson says it's because Pres. McKay couldn't make up his ...
by deacon blues
Fri Nov 28, 2025 4:23 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The legalistic Oaks era has begun
Replies: 7
Views: 11586

Re: The legalistic Oaks era has begun

But, but they've got raights. :lol:
And, you know God loves them more, and gave the special magic formulas that seal forever.
by deacon blues
Fri Nov 28, 2025 4:21 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What was King David Really Like?
Replies: 2
Views: 5290

What was King David Really Like?

There is a series on TV about King David that I haven't watched yet, but I'm thinking about David and thinking he was probably really a shyster, especially if he really murdered Uriah and stole Bathsheba. My hypothesis is this: for propaganda reasons and because he was viewed as composing the early ...
by deacon blues
Sun Nov 23, 2025 9:39 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Pornography and the eye of the beholder
Replies: 5
Views: 10340

Re: Pornography and the eye of the beholder

Yep. Classic case of a protective mother projecting her own desires on her son.
by deacon blues
Mon Nov 17, 2025 11:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Offering a trade to apologists
Replies: 2
Views: 2532

Re: Offering a trade to apologists

I'm not an apologist, and I do see those two examples as comparable. I am convinced a lot of our differences are motivated by something other than the facts or data. Some things that we all are affected by: Bias and Pride, for example. Facts alone will not convince an opponent. Facts coupled with ...
by deacon blues
Mon Nov 17, 2025 11:09 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What's going on with Marjorie Taylor-Greene?
Replies: 2
Views: 10437

What's going on with Marjorie Taylor-Greene?

I just watched an interview with Marjorie Taylor-Greene where she apologized for her past behavior: MTG: ...I think that's fair criticism and I would like to apologize for taking part in the toxic politics, it's very bad for our country, it's been something I've thought a lot about and I'm committed ...
by deacon blues
Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another Holy Ghost?
Replies: 10
Views: 83838

Re: Another Holy Ghost?

I watched a short excerpt from "The Family Guy" the other day where they talked about the Ghost that never lies -- and I thought of it as a kind of a new name for the Holy Ghost. It was an irreverent bit where the setting is a courtroom, and "The Ghost That Never Lies" was put on the stand, but only ...
by deacon blues
Thu Nov 06, 2025 9:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I heard Moksha passed away recently…
Replies: 12
Views: 52045

Re: I heard Moksha passed away recently…

Sad news. He was one of a kind. :cry:
I wish I could attend his memorial. I feel like my NOM friends are family.
by deacon blues
Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:34 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Keeping up with Trump
Replies: 1176
Views: 7710817

Re: Keeping up with Trump

It would be sad to be Donald Trump. He hates a lot of people. Imagine thinking that some people admire you for your ability to hate others, to promote hate. Imagine thinking that Christians(!!!)admire you because you promote hate.
by deacon blues
Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:46 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Trying to find a Dallin Oaks quote
Replies: 3
Views: 5941

Re: Trying to find a Dallin Oaks quote

Thanks so much for showing me this, nibbler. The one I recall was more explicit, but this one shares the same theme.
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 25, 2025 9:45 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Trying to find a Dallin Oaks quote
Replies: 3
Views: 5941

Trying to find a Dallin Oaks quote

My memory, which is sometimes reliable tells me that Dallin Oaks once spoke about the Middle Ages as a time when men relied on faith and that since the Renaissance and the Enlightenment society has been going downhill. Does anyone else recall this, and know where it might be found?
by deacon blues
Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Founding Fathers
Replies: 3
Views: 8071

Founding Fathers

I see posts online of people talking about how God 'called' the Founding Fathers to set up the USA. I occasionally reply: "Do you realize that men that you believe were called by God, namely Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison and many others were deists. Ask yourself, why did God call deists ...
by deacon blues
Thu Oct 16, 2025 10:48 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: What are the odds?
Replies: 3
Views: 46937

What are the odds?

I have had success discussing my critical views of the LDS church using this perspective- I could be wrong. I explain that I honestly believe that there is a possibility that the Church could be true. Yes, I honestly believe, with my understanding of the limitations of the human mind that that is a ...
by deacon blues
Thu Oct 16, 2025 10:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Living in a Bi-Polar society
Replies: 1
Views: 5395

Living in a Bi-Polar society

Growing up in Rexburg, I was indoctrinated into a essentially mono-cultural society- 95% LDS. On my mission I was exposed to a poly-cultural society in southern California. The current society in the USA seems to be largely bi-cultural, and even worse, the extremes of each culture are getting the ...
by deacon blues
Fri Oct 10, 2025 10:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Q12 leading the church
Replies: 12
Views: 24603

Re: Q12 leading the church

Interesting. Those three bodies (FP, Q12, Q70) should each get one vote. No, the RS presidency and primary and YW presidency all need one vote also. That way, women have equal say to all the men in the church. And if there are any disagreements, then that group’s vote is just canceled. Because I am ...
by deacon blues
Fri Oct 10, 2025 9:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: mAGA and vertical morality
Replies: 2
Views: 14423

Re: mAGA and vertical morality

alas wrote: "So, anyway, second thought with this definition of two kinds of morality is it explains SO much about religion. Jesus was a horizontal morality kind of guy in a vertical morality kind of religion. So, the vertical morality leaders got rid of the rabble rouser. And people really like the ...