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by deacon blues
Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:24 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Technology- has it ruined music?
Replies: 12
Views: 255

Re: Technology- has it ruined music?

Back in 2001, a group took a poll (at a university, I think) to determine qualities that people liked and didn't like in music. They then made a song that included all of the elements that people didn't like. For example, many of those polled didn't care for opera, rap, country, commercial lyrics, ...
by deacon blues
Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New Utah Flag
Replies: 13
Views: 185

Re: New Utah Flag

I don't live anywhere near Utah. I understand that a lot of Mormons are upset about the new flag. It looks to me like it has the beehive as the dominant feature. What is the problem with the new flag for Mormons? My sister in Law reported that the Daughter's of the Utah Pioneers recent meeting had ...
by deacon blues
Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion
Replies: 6
Views: 189

Re: PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion

The PRRI has released their 2022 update to their Census of American Religion and it has a few interesting tidbits relevant to Mormonism. Mostly, though, it just shows that Mormonism is pretty irrelevant to most of the country. The PRRI graphs show that the percentage of Mormons in the country has g...
by deacon blues
Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Can girls pass the sacrament?
Replies: 11
Views: 247

Re: Can girls pass the sacrament?

I imagine a plain and precious part was lost from the Gospel of John that clearly records Jesus telling his disciples at the last supper to only use their right hands. That's why we needed the "Restoration."
by deacon blues
Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Miracles that sustain my doubts.
Replies: 1
Views: 90

Miracles that sustain my doubts.

I recently was at bookstore and picked up a book on old historic adobe Salt Lake houses. Imagine my feelings when I randomly opened the book at home this afternoon and found a chapter about a house that Sarah Pratt, the apostate wife of Orson Pratt, had lived in. :o It reminded me of the time some t...
by deacon blues
Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pride works both ways.
Replies: 7
Views: 199

Pride works both ways.

I've heard a dozen or more talks/lessons about how pride led people out of the Church. Has anyone considered how pride might keep people in the Church? On my mission it was a combination of pride and fear that kept me from confronting the criticisms of the Church. Sure some of them were false, but i...
by deacon blues
Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:57 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Technology- has it ruined music?
Replies: 12
Views: 255

Technology- has it ruined music?

I've been reading a book about Steely Dan and it got me thinking about music since the 1960's. For me it has steadily been going downhill. :roll: Now this is a common reaction. People typically (My Mom and Dad- 1940's, and my Grandmas- 1920's are examples) love the music they grew up with, and I gre...
by deacon blues
Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church's rainy day safety net
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Church's rainy day safety net

Unfortunately, Brigham Young and most of the Church will take a modern 'prophet' over an ancient Messiah. :oops: :(
by deacon blues
Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Youth activities
Replies: 11
Views: 515

Re: Youth activities

This apologetic podcast mourns the demise of interesting youth programs. If you don't mind the apologetics, you can listen to TBM's lament the current programs of the Church and praise the good old days.
"The Spiral Of Silence is Killing the Church (feat. Greg Matsen)
MIDNIGHT MORMONS"
by deacon blues
Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: the Seed of Secrecy
Replies: 6
Views: 323

Re: the Seed of Secrecy

That's right Moksha. the thought occurred to me that those silly temple vows are kind of like what a mafia oath might be like. Google: Mafia oath of silence, or 'omerta' and you'll see a parallel. Or look up Gadianton Robbers. Or, look up "Do LDS give their Soul to the Church or Jesus" thread. :o :s...
by deacon blues
Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?
Replies: 6
Views: 199

Re: Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?

I think Joseph was trying to get control, but he couldn't ask people to give their soul to Joseph. That would be too obvious. He couldn't ask people to give their soul to Jesus Christ. That would be too vague. So he tells people to give their soul to the Church. And Joseph ran the Church, at least h...
by deacon blues
Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?
Replies: 6
Views: 199

Re: Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?

Pale's post above says it very clearly. When you come out of the temple they want you to think they own you body and soul, (and spirit if you want to get doctrinal). And they don't give you much warning either. :o :shock: :cry: The temple ceremony says "C___, C___, C___," all the way through. Joseph...
by deacon blues
Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:52 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 21
Views: 431

Re: O.T. Prophets who messed up.

The "really Old Testament?" That cracks me up, cnsl1! :lol:
by deacon blues
Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: the Seed of Secrecy
Replies: 6
Views: 323

Re: the Seed of Secrecy

Growing up on a farm in Idaho, that parable didn't quite make sense. Gather up the tares? Maybe they have different weeds in Palestine. I know wheat and tares [oats, wild grass, etc.] look the same at first at, but when the heads come out you can tell the difference. But by then it's impossible to s...
by deacon blues
Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 21
Views: 431

Re: O.T. Prophets who messed up.

Yes Blazerb, that is my broke-shelf, post-enlightenment take on it. 8-)
by deacon blues
Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 21
Views: 431

Re: O.T. Prophets who messed up.

aye aye, Capt'n :shock:
Although I'd rather not be a septic. :lol:
by deacon blues
Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reconciling the new temple teachings and literalism
Replies: 11
Views: 335

Re: Reconciling the new temple teachings and literalism

Moses 3:21–23. Adam’s Rib President Spencer W. Kimball taught that Eve was not literally created from Adam’s rib. He said: “The story of the rib, of course, is figurative” (“The Blessings and Responsibilities of Womanhood,” Ensign, Mar. 1976, 71). “The story [of the rib,] of course, is figurative” W...
by deacon blues
Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 21
Views: 431

Re: O.T. Prophets who messed up.

I never thought of Lot as a prophet, but he was visited by angels. That is hefty evidence.

The apostle Peter said Lot was righteous, and he should know, right?
2nd Peter 2:7 "and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" :roll:
by deacon blues
Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?
Replies: 6
Views: 199

Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus?

Do LDS give their Soul to the Church, or to Jesus? This is kind of a rhetorical question, but it shouldn't be. The temple answers this question for me, but there may be TBM's or even NOM's that might see things differently. Some TBM's might say that giving your soul to the Church is the same as givi...
by deacon blues
Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 21
Views: 431

O.T. Prophets who messed up.

I would submit that prophets as depicted in unique LDS scriptures (BOM, D&C, PofGP) rarely make mistakes. The 116 pages and Joseph Smith is a rare example. However in the Old Testament we see prophets makings plenty of mistakes. Jonah and the whale, and Moses not giving God credit for purifying the ...