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by deacon blues
Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The WORDS of Jesus...
Replies: 4
Views: 12686

Re: The WORDS of Jesus...

Here's a thought that would probably crash and burn in most Sunday School Classes around the world. Matthew 5:13 The issue of salt losing its flavour is somewhat problematic. Salt itself, sodium chloride (NaCl), is extremely stable and cannot lose its flavour. France notes that Jesus was giving a ...
by deacon blues
Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The WORDS of Jesus...
Replies: 4
Views: 12686

The WORDS of Jesus...

People, even Christians, will dispute Jesus and his role for humanity. Is he a brother? a father? a wise teacher" a Savior? a fraud? a myth? Jesus never left an indisputable first person record, a " I'm telling and/or writing you this" type of record- Unless you accept the D&C, which I still study ...
by deacon blues
Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Visions
Replies: 7
Views: 1630

Re: Visions

Comparing earth life to leaving home for college is a theme I often heard, especially while attending BYU. Visions, revelations, and other other worldly experiences spoiled this idea for me. At college students have equal access to teachers and knowledge, while in the "Plan of Salvation" we were ...
by deacon blues
Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church to Sue Fairview Texas Over Temple
Replies: 5
Views: 1335

Re: Church to Sue Fairview Texas Over Temple

Do they-the LDS- worship God or Political and Judicial Power? Apparent Answer: whatever it takes to get the job done. See my post on white Christian Nationalism. ...and this quote (2:40) "You can get far far more political power in a town of a few thousand than you can on your own widely dispersed ...
by deacon blues
Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why is God so poor?
Replies: 4
Views: 1773

Re: Why is God so poor?

Why don't all churches emulate Jesus and pay taxes- voluntarily?
by deacon blues
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:45 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Visions
Replies: 7
Views: 1630

Re: Visions

Stories/Myths grow in the telling. an example from my family is my dad telling me a guy with a welder showed up on a lonely country road and helped him fix his plow. the story has been retold by other family members as a possible 3 Nephites story. But I never heard my Dad say anything about the ...
by deacon blues
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inoculating young children
Replies: 6
Views: 4652

Re: Inoculating young children

It's crazy how many people fear indoctrination from schools and universities, but support and encourage indoctrination from churches and politicians. :roll: :(
by deacon blues
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we know the Church has repented?
Replies: 12
Views: 8004

Re: How do we know the Church has repented?

TBM's and GA's would consider protecting their financial interests a legitimate reason to not apologize or repent. It's a great example of "lying for the Lord." Using that excuse lets the Church ease into a 'we're only human' stance. But when they want to play God, when they judge society, or blame ...
by deacon blues
Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Happy New Year!
Replies: 11
Views: 5144

Re: Happy New Year!

I see you have been in the belly, the VERITABLE Belly, of the beast. :lol:
by deacon blues
Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Conflating the Church with Jesus Christ
Replies: 4
Views: 2071

Conflating the Church with Jesus Christ

Having a relationship with God and/or Jesus can be a tricky thing. It is full of feelings- whether they be certain or uncertain, metaphors with multiple meanings and the texts themselves have different interpretations. Having a relationship with a Church is relatively more concrete. You go and ...
by deacon blues
Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph Smith takes the Fifth.
Replies: 3
Views: 2110

Re: Joseph Smith takes the Fifth.

An apologist would likely say, "God told Joseph to take the Fifth." But that is not not what Joseph Smith said. He essentially said, "I don't want to tell you, and I'm the prophet, the boss." Which is a lot like what we hear today in some conference talks. Essentially, "we don't know the answer, and ...
by deacon blues
Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Apologists: Good, Bad, Mediocre?
Replies: 6
Views: 2749

Re: Apologists: Good, Bad, Mediocre?

I don't have a scale yet, just anecdotal experience. The '132 Reasons' blogger, Michelle Stone had encounters with Greg Matson and Brian Hales. Brian Hales acted like he was her bishop calling her to repent. At least Greg Matson listened to her, respectfully for the most part. Deacon Scale says Greg ...
by deacon blues
Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph Smith takes the Fifth.
Replies: 3
Views: 2110

Joseph Smith takes the Fifth.

(JOSEPH DECLINES TO EXPLAIN THE BOOK OF MORMON TRANSLATION IN CONTEXT) Br. Hyrum Smith said that he thought best that the information of the coming forth of the book of Mormon be related by Joseph himself to the Elders present that all might know for themselves. Br. Joseph Smith jr. said that it was ...
by deacon blues
Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:29 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Apologists: Good, Bad, Mediocre?
Replies: 6
Views: 2749

Apologists: Good, Bad, Mediocre?

I've been thinking about the quality of apologists and their arguments, among other things. Also are they open to discussion? Are they malicious? Before we rate them we need criteria. What makes a good apologist? Or a bad apologist? I hope to discuss quality, not whether we agree with them or not. :D
by deacon blues
Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Happy New Year!
Replies: 11
Views: 5144

Re: Happy New Year!

Happy New Year! I look forward to meeting NOM's in person. Red Ryder, thanks! :)
by deacon blues
Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inoculating young children
Replies: 6
Views: 4652

Inoculating young children

There is a bit of a fuss lately about a lesson on lds.org that is directed to young children. It concerns polygamy. Any thoughts?

See: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... e?lang=eng
by deacon blues
Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:42 am
Forum: Support
Topic: what's happening with the new Intro to the BOM?
Replies: 2
Views: 2617

what's happening with the new Intro to the BOM?

Last Saturday I heard something about a new introduction to the Book of Mormon. Yesterday I read it and saw how it softened or left out supernatural claims about its origins. Then today I look it up on "LDS Living" and "Meridian Magazine" and it was deleted WTH???
by deacon blues
Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Smithmas Hymns and Carols
Replies: 2
Views: 2636

Re: Smithmas Hymns and Carols

Polygamy points to ponder in the church: we are taught to rever Joseph Smith as a noble chosen Prophet but then through the essays and historians we are presented with a very different contradictory version of him. Is the Joseph Smith portrayed in the essays on gospel topics the same man about whom ...
by deacon blues
Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are all Church Teachings Malleable?
Replies: 8
Views: 6578

Re: Are all Church Teachings Malleable?

One thing I would like to see is the removal of D&C 132 from the canon. They removed the Lectures on Faith, why not D&C 132, at least the part that talks about concubines. :roll: :o