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by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: We were taught Heavenly Father is an exalted man and...
Replies: 6
Views: 728

Re: We were taught Heavenly Father is an exalted man and...

Interesting responses. I grew up in a 90%- 95% LDS community. I didn't encounter a variety of Christian beliefs until my mission to Southern California, and I was moved by the sincerity of the various beliefs I encountered. I recognized that these beliefs were very important to people, and that many ...
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Elder Bednar telling crowd to "Sit down!"
Replies: 10
Views: 1399

Re: Elder Bednar telling crowd to "Sit down!"

He believes that those in his audience have already given up their "agency." Isn't that what the covenant path is all about? :roll:
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:52 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we know the Church has repented?
Replies: 4
Views: 817

Re: How do we know the Church has repented?

Palerider and Hagoth make great points. The Church I grew up in liked a literal interpretation of Numbers 23:19: "“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent." But then came the challenge of dealing with the "New Church History." How can the Church address its own m ...
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: We were taught Heavenly Father is an exalted man and...
Replies: 6
Views: 728

We were taught Heavenly Father is an exalted man and...

In my opinion, being taught that Heavenly Father is an exalted man is partly to blame for many Exmo's turning to atheism or agnosticism. I do a little study of other Christian traditions and I've found a more flexible view of deity. My own searching has led me to a less dogmatic understanding and ...
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lavina Fielding Anderson has been re-baptized!
Replies: 6
Views: 1090

Re: Lavina Fielding Anderson has been re-baptized!

Lavina published a critical edition of the Lucy Mack Smith history titled "Lucy's Book." It is excellent. It is too bad she got ex'ed before she got a chance to work on the Joseph Smith Papers. If only Howard Hunter had outlived Boyd Packer. :roll: (sigh)
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Work for Neanderthal Dead
Replies: 11
Views: 5718

Re: Work for Neanderthal Dead

Having a General Conference talk on Our Dear Pre-Adamite Brothers and Sisters would be wonderful. After all, they were around for many millennia before the Mormon Adamites appeared in Missouri. They were able to help instruct the Adamites in clothing construction, food gathering, shelter making ...
by deacon blues
Fri Nov 22, 2024 3:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Jana Reiss: LDS Supported Hitler And Are Supporting Trump For The Same Reasons
Replies: 3
Views: 964

Re: Jana Reiss: LDS Supported Hitler And Are Supporting Trump For The Same Reasons

What we need next is a movie about Helmuth Hubener, preferably by someone not tainted with an LDS bias.
by deacon blues
Fri Nov 22, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we know the Church has repented?
Replies: 4
Views: 817

How do we know the Church has repented?

One point that John Dehlin makes in a recent podcast concerns the Church's moral and legal hypocrisy. The Church may vaguely admit to making mistakes (Pres. Uchtdorff, Oct 2013), but they won't confess specifically to what those mistakes were (there are exceptions, when they were under duress), and ...
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Beards, etc.
Replies: 13
Views: 3865

Re: Beards, etc.

I went to two Sacrament meetings in the last month. There was a beard on the stand at each. I think they were part of the bishopric even though neither conducted. I’m betting the “no facial hair” commandment will slowly become out of date. A few decades after the rest of the world
by deacon blues
Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Jana Reiss: LDS Supported Hitler And Are Supporting Trump For The Same Reasons
Replies: 3
Views: 964

Re: Jana Reiss: LDS Supported Hitler And Are Supporting Trump For The Same Reasons

I think there is a movie about Dietrich Bonhoeffer that is coming out. It deals with the rise of Hitler. It could be interesting and relevant.
by deacon blues
Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are all Church Teachings Malleable?
Replies: 5
Views: 1192

Re: Are all Church Teachings Malleable?

Example: Do Mormons get their own planets? Church Newsroom: No.

Do Mormons get their own worlds? Pres. Smith, Young, Taylor, Woodruff, Snow, Smith, McKay, Smith, Kimball: Yes!

Does anyone want to do explain the difference between a planet and a world? Spock: They are logically synonymous.
by deacon blues
Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: My talk with the LDS chatbot
Replies: 5
Views: 1233

Re: My talk with the LDS chatbot

wtfluff wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:38 pm Bot has been trained well: Answer the question that the questioner should have asked.

Except for that part where it showed a bit of respect for the questioner. :| It definitely went off the rails there...
Took words out of my mouth, Fluffy. :lol:
by deacon blues
Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:37 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Urgent Request for Russel M. Nelson
Replies: 4
Views: 1208

Re: Urgent Request for Russel M. Nelson

I seem to recall a letter Parley Pratt wrote to Joseph Smith, essentially saying: Joseph could you be more specific about when the world is going to end?
I just can't find it as I write this. I'm certain it has been a topic for discussion throughout Church history.
by deacon blues
Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What is the most harmful lie the Church has perpetrated?
Replies: 13
Views: 2107

What is the most harmful lie the Church has perpetrated?

I've been listening to Mormon Discussion's "Getting Your Own Planet" podcast, and it had me thinking- what is the most harmful lie/prevarication/deception that the Church has promoted over the years? For boomers like me the downplaying of "God was once a man doctrine" is pretty brazen, but I think ...
by deacon blues
Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: JS Polygamy deniers?
Replies: 17
Views: 13928

Re: JS Polygamy deniers?

One problem early Mormon historians had was their propensity to edit and delete problematic sources and texts. This has come back to bite the Church in the butt. Polygamy deniers can honestly point this out, and it casts a shadow of doubt on polygamy accounts particularly, but indeed on all of the ...
by deacon blues
Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Addicted to Certainty
Replies: 0
Views: 805

Addicted to Certainty

I may have posted on this before, but I don't remember when. It has to to do with why many people believe weird things. This is from a Psychology Today article (Sept. 22, 2021) called "The Epidemic of Certainty:" "Certainty is an emotional state, not an intellectual one. To feel certain, the brain ...
by deacon blues
Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Nelson, Oaks, Eyring...Please watch this
Replies: 2
Views: 779

Re: Nelson, Oaks, Eyring...Please watch this

LDS Newsroom: The Lord's Lawyers- er- prophets tell us how protect the church- er- victims. Don't get into those wishy washy weeds of whether harm is caused to individual people.
by deacon blues
Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How organized should religion be?
Replies: 6
Views: 1410

How organized should religion be?

My observation is that organizations can be good for some things but they have their drawbacks. So, here are my questions.
Are some religions too organized?
What would an ideally organized religion be like?
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Our Cozy Assumptions....
Replies: 2
Views: 1086

Our Cozy Assumptions....

Church History Matters. "The Racist American Context the Church was Born Into" 3:56 Deacon: I found this opening conversation between two LDS apologists interesting. 1. I was impressed with how apologetic the apologists are. 2. I appreciated their comments/acknowledgement about "cozy assumptions ...
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saturday Sabbath
Replies: 28
Views: 12034

Re: Saturday Sabbath

These are excellent points being made Moksha and Hagoth. Predictably, it seems like the most likely explanation for religious doctrine is human rather than divine. The of predilection of Matthew's anonymous author to put the blame on the Jews instead of the Romans for Jesus's death, and to demonize ...