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by deacon blues
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: John Larsen and the handcart horror story
Replies: 12
Views: 537

Re: John Larsen and the handcart horror story

1. The Church is so good at damage control because it has lots of practice: Polygamy, handcarts, Mountain Meadows, Adam-God, Blood atonement, priesthood ban, LGBT issues, women's issues. 2. The Church has had to learn to use damage control because it can't deal with Absolute Truth and Absolute love....
by deacon blues
Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Death = Healing? Huh?
Replies: 2
Views: 220

Re: Death = Healing? Huh?

I may be beating myself up over defining god too much. 8-) God is one of those things that is defined in a myriad of ways. Getting back to miracles- they have a relatively standard definition: mir·a·cle /ˈmirək(ə)l/ noun 1.a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientifi...
by deacon blues
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Binding God
Replies: 8
Views: 337

Re: Binding God

There is a lot to consider in this topic. First, almost all of Joseph Smith's ideas come from the Bible, and his unique interpretation of it. I think the primary mention of binding is Matthew 18:18 and Matthew 16:19. To me, the context of Matthew chapter 18 appears to apply to sinners, and not the s...
by deacon blues
Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Death = Healing? Huh?
Replies: 2
Views: 220

Re: Death = Healing? Huh?

I'm reminded of Humpty Dumpty in Alice In Wonderland: “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ Typical GA: "A miracle is what I say it is, nothing more, nothing less." :o Yet here am I defining God as truth a...
by deacon blues
Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 22
Views: 1041

Re: Temple changes

8-) I am interested in the parchment "St. Peter's bind." With his magic world view Joseph Smith could bind treasure-guarding spirits, so- going one step further- why not bind God? I was pondering how unique LDS are- they have a scripture that says: "I God am bound when you do what I say." (D&C 82:10...
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?
Replies: 11
Views: 465

Re: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?

Thanks for the great posts Pale Rider, Alas, Reuben, and Moksha. This thread has been more enlightening than any Sunday School lesson I can recall on the subject. I don't remember exactly where I first heard the "sex outside marriage is the third worst sin"-meme, but I'm almost certain in was in a S...
by deacon blues
Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:05 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: For fluffy.
Replies: 3
Views: 208

Re: For fluffy.

Truth and beauty, or at least beauty. Thanks R.R. :D
It reminds me a little of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, which tells you how old I am.
by deacon blues
Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:01 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity
Replies: 3
Views: 253

Re: Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity

moksha wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:46 am
What can individual members do when they learn about things like the Church's policy of exclusion, or head-spinning ex-communications?
I haven't resigned yet, but every time they announce more temples I feel better knowing I stopped paying tithing. :)
by deacon blues
Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 22
Views: 1041

Re: Temple changes

You can fool some people all of the time and all people some of the time. As time passes I believe more people will see that the ordinances are poppycock. :roll:
It's all a stage show that leads up to the vow to give your heart & soul to the LDS Church. :(
by deacon blues
Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?
Replies: 11
Views: 465

what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?

The Book of Mormon famously tells us that sex outside of marriage is the third worst sin one can commit. I think it is unfortunate that the reference in the Book of Mormon [Alma 39] is unfortunately vague: "These things are an abomination..." :( "These things" lumps into one category anything from p...
by deacon blues
Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pep talk or Prophecy?
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

MoPag wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:58 pm
Great. Now we have to figure out if he's speaking as a prophet or a man AND also if it's a prophecy or a goal. :lol:
Yeah, I tend to muddy the waters, rather than clarify things. :?
by deacon blues
Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity
Replies: 3
Views: 253

Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity

I found this remarkable statement while reading through old "Dialogue." magazines. It is worth repeating. (Thanks W.L.Williamson) In the Church I have never heard talks about personal conscience, about the risks of abdicating personal conscience to those in authority, about the dangers of Dachau, Jo...
by deacon blues
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Sunday Morning Fall 2021
Replies: 58
Views: 1194

Re: NOMference Sunday Morning Fall 2021

MoPag wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:26 am
blazerb wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:25 am
He'll announce a cruise boat temple.
:lol: :lol:
They did some post manifesto plural marriages on ships didn't they?
by deacon blues
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Sunday Morning Fall 2021
Replies: 58
Views: 1194

Re: NOMference Sunday Morning Fall 2021

AdmiralHoldo wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:09 am
"We worship God and Jesus, not President Nelson" yeah just keep telling yourself that

What's the over/under on number of temples announced?
Wait, they worship Jesus? Has Bruce R. McConkie been contradicted again?? :shock:
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 1921

Re: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021

He just forgot about the 2nd Anointing. When one has so many ordinances it's easy to forget once in a while.
by deacon blues
Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 1921

Re: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021

I'm simultaneously watching a Mormon Stories and reading this. :lol: :lol: Thanks Mopag.
by deacon blues
Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How Does a Church Become a God, or the God?
Replies: 9
Views: 520

Re: How Does a Church Become a God, or the God?

I believe I remember a quote like this. I think it was riffing off Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. If I remember correctly, and I'm too lazy to check, the JST modifies this, but that wouldn't prevent JS fro...
by deacon blues
Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pep talk or Prophecy?
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Pep talk or Prophecy?

It seems certain that sometime during the dangerous days of 1838 in Far West, Missouri, Joseph Smith used definite phrases like "angels will be fighting with us" and/or "one Saint will put a thousand Missourians to flight." We can read in D&C 84 that Joseph did say a temple would be built in Jackson...
by deacon blues
Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Missing Gospel Topics Essays
Replies: 28
Views: 1136

Re: Missing Gospel Topics Essays

Looks like the missing topics are back up. All is well in Zion. :roll: ;)
by deacon blues
Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is Faith Relative?
Replies: 8
Views: 400

Is Faith Relative?

Dallin Oaks has talked about moral relativism: it is one of his favorite topics. ;) He likes to say that truth is not relative, and I agree. 8-) OK, If an Evangelical has faith in the bible, a Catholic has faith in their Church, a Muslim has faith in the Koran, an orthodox Jew has faith in their rel...