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by Palerider
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: An Abrahamic test
Replies: 6
Views: 117

Re: An Abrahamic test

But at best this is an ultra-advanced test that only prophets talking directly to God might ever see. This is dramatically different than how the modern church tries to present the test and all of the reasons we might need to sacrifice for the institutional LDS church. Absolutely. The bigger the te...
by Palerider
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: John Larsen and the handcart horror story
Replies: 12
Views: 538

Re: John Larsen and the handcart horror story

1. it has lots of practice: Polygamy, handcarts, Mountain Meadows, Adam-God, Blood atonement, priesthood ban, LGBT issues, women's issues. 2. The Church has had to learn to use damage control because it can't deal with Absolute Truth and Absolute love. 3. 4. The Church loses 20-40% of it's members ...
by Palerider
Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Now that we know Mormonism is a cult what do we do?
Replies: 9
Views: 233

Re: Now that we know Mormonism is a cult what do we do?

So I've been reading the book "Inside the Mind of Joseph Smith." Something I've learned about his personality is the psychological concept of "Splitting". It's a defense mechanism used by children and sometimes adolescents that defines the world and relationships with people in black and white. Ther...
by Palerider
Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: You know you're in a cult when...
Replies: 15
Views: 274

Re: You know you're in a cult when...

You know you're in a cult when: 1. Your TBM son comes elk hunting with you but restricts the conversation to only hunting. No talking about the "church". 2: The "church" attempts to tamp down the reading of material outside of the correlated literature. 3. "Church" leadership claim to be the one and...
by Palerider
Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Soaking and Jump Humping in the news
Replies: 18
Views: 600

Re: Soaking and Jump Humping in the news

I find it extremely difficult to believe that some idiots out there could believe they could do this and still maintain that they aren't being immoral.

But then Mormonism lends itself to rationalization like no other religion....🤔
by Palerider
Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Identity
Replies: 12
Views: 476

Re: Identity

I'm close to Alas here. If it comes up, I usually say I was raised Mormon but I left the church a number of years ago. I'm still a Christian now. Then if they want to know more, I'm happy to engage, but I don't push it. As Alas said, most people have a relatively positive impression of Mormons. Howe...
by Palerider
Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Binding God
Replies: 8
Views: 343

Re: Binding God

There is a lot to consider in this topic. First, almost all of Joseph Smith's ideas come from the Bible..... …that binding signified, and was commonly understood by the Jews at that time to be, a declaration that any thing was unlawful to be done; and loosing signified, on the contrary, a declarati...
by Palerider
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Progressive Mormon Debate
Replies: 10
Views: 389

Re: The Progressive Mormon Debate

This sort of reminds me of how young high schoolers go through life. They have issues that they don't know how to deal with and they don't think adults will understand so they end up asking their peers for advice.....who are just as inexperienced and naive as they are. They are the last people they ...
by Palerider
Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:21 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 22
Views: 1041

Re: Temple changes

This concept of "binding" is not doctrinal in my opinion. In fact, it's occult language that was familiar to Joseph Smith. Here's his family's St. Peter Bind Them parchment from their treasure digging, ghost wrangling days. Binding is about using magic to compel spirits to do your bidding. https://...
by Palerider
Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 22
Views: 1041

Re: Temple changes

As I listened to conference this time, I heard multiple times (probably from Bednar and Nelson the most) that it's critical to "bind" ourselves to Christ through the temple ordinances. This concept of "binding" is not doctrinal in my opinion. As a matter of fact I think it's a corruption of the true...
by Palerider
Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?
Replies: 11
Views: 478

Re: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?

If we think in terms of how the Savior treated the woman caught in adultery as opposed to the way he lambasted the Pharisees who neglected and abused the poor, putting themselves forward as righteous..... I'm not in a position to say which sin is greater. Or if it really matters in this particular s...
by Palerider
Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bednar debacle
Replies: 15
Views: 802

Re: Bednar debacle

blazerb wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:26 pm
The way he treats people is abhorrent.
Maybe it would actually be a good thing to have him as prophet. The true face of Mormonism finally revealed. 🤔
by Palerider
Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity
Replies: 3
Views: 253

Re: Gen. Doniphan and Disobedience and Integrity

It pains me that I don't remember the name of one brother in particular, who was in the meeting with Wells and others when the attack was planned on the Fancher wagon train, but he spoke against it and told them he thought they should wait until they could receive a more direct approval from Brigham...
by Palerider
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is there any way to find out who the last living polygamist church leader was?
Replies: 8
Views: 366

Re: Is there any way to find out who the last living polygamist church leader was?

Can't remember what his name was. You could find it with a little research, but either Harold B. Lee or Spencer W. Kimball were called as apostles to replace an apostle who was exed for "adultery". I believe in reality he was just hiding a plural wife and the "Brethren" didn't want it advertised as ...
by Palerider
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bednar debacle
Replies: 15
Views: 802

Bednar debacle

Bednar's talk was....what can I say.....just STUPID. It made me wonder if these guys really have any true understanding of the scriptures. He starts out being so vague about what this divorced sister wanted. "Justice and accountability". Well, exactly in what aspect? Did she want child support? Did ...
by Palerider
Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 1922

Re: NOMference Sat morning Fall 2021

alas wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:19 am
When President Nelson said that what we hear in conference will be 100% pure truth, my TBM husband quips, “Oaks isn’t speaking?”
He falsified that just by stating it. 🤪🤪

I wonder what would prompt someone to say something like that.....🤔
by Palerider
Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pep talk or Prophecy?
Replies: 7
Views: 507

Re: Pep talk or Prophecy?

blazerb wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:55 pm
JS said things to keep his followers excited about following him. The current leadership tries to ignore it. They say things to guilt people into following them. Both strategies are corrupt.
Ohhh.....there.....that feels much better.
by Palerider
Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Resurrection
Replies: 3
Views: 271

Re: Resurrection

Different here on NOM?

Or different in your life?
by Palerider
Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Tithing
Replies: 17
Views: 776

Re: Tithing

Mrs. Palerider and I have set up a college scholarship fund at our local community college. It has specific criteria to meet. Namely that the receiving individual must be an impoverished single parent with small children, trying to educate themselves so that they can take care of their family. Ther...
by Palerider
Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Tithing
Replies: 17
Views: 776

Re: Tithing

Mrs. Palerider and I have set up a college scholarship fund at our local community college. It has specific criteria to meet. Namely that the receiving individual must be an impoverished single parent with small children, trying to educate themselves so that they can take care of their family. There...