Search found 374 matches

by græy
Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Love yourself?
Replies: 3
Views: 169

Re: Love yourself?

By “love” I don’t just mean pampering, but also discipline physically and mentally - improving thoughts, not beating oneself up. Others may do that enough. It’s a constant challenge. This clip has helped me. It’s basically about this self-love as a discipline and about surrounding yourself with peo...
by græy
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff
Replies: 47
Views: 2338

Re: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff

Conversations like this were a pretty big source of stress for me. I mean being put on the spot to affirm something I didn't really believe in. This has been getting worse for me. Due to my calling I occasionally get asked to speak to youth or even the adults about things. I recently had to artfull...
by græy
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM going the direction of some other online groups?
Replies: 27
Views: 592

Re: Is NOM going the direction of some other online groups?

I've noticed the slow-down here too. But, our IRL ward drops by ~30% attendance during the summer months, so I just assume the same is true here. Everyone is having way too much fun camping, surfing, or travelling to post about the pros and cons of our particular religion. Please don't die NOM, I ha...
by græy
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New youth program being defined
Replies: 24
Views: 647

Re: New youth program being defined

I know its a crazy thought. But non of the material released so far says anything about weekly meetings. It does talk about planning activities to support the youth and help them gain experience. But there nothing specifying how frequently these activities have to occur. What are the odds that this ...
by græy
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New youth program being defined
Replies: 24
Views: 647

Re: New youth program being defined

The principles taught in this effort for children and youth represent a higher, holier way to encourage the rising generation to follow Jesus Christ and apply His gospel in all areas of their lives, Its just weeknight church. strengthen the rising generation’s faith in Jesus Christ and help childre...
by græy
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

wtfluff wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:06 pm
moksha wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:01 pm
I think Joseph's followers added the embellishment of the Urim and Thummim translation device because they did not want people thinking Joseph just pulled the story out of his hat.
Of course.

(Magic dice are so, so much better!)
:lol:
by græy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1974

Re: The Trickster God

I'm not your friend, you sons of bitches. You were the ones that decided that. You were the ones that decided how this was going to be. Wow. It seems that your professed faith in God and Christ has done nothing to elicit even the smallest degree of a charitable response from you regardless of what ...
by græy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1974

Re: The Trickster God

You are not superior. You are just arrogant.
ed123 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:13 am
When I have found out what kind of people I am dealing with on this board, and I call them out and say it like it is, I don't give a damn if I am banned.
Keep the attacks coming, friend.
by græy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1974

Re: The Trickster God

Also, ed, please stop with the personal attacks... You have a habit of putting words in people's mouths and acting like you won a debate. Don't be stupid. because you had a childish, emotional reaction to the thought rather than reason through it Stop being an idiot and a child about it. You're quic...
by græy
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1974

Re: The Trickster God

pleasse define your use of natural law. This is what I was waiting for. You can't claim that fossils are part of some "natural law" and therefore not attributable to a trickster god the same way as the BoA, without defining "natural law." Nature means nothing in the face of a trickster god, and not...
by græy
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm
jfro18 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 am
while back I started typing up a list of "things that have to be true for the church to be true" that was just a super loose list that was semi-chronological.
I love that idea. Did you ever post it on NOM? I would like to see it.
Ditto
by græy
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sunstone Attendance?
Replies: 9
Views: 285

Re: Sunstone Attendance?

About 1500 miles too far for me to make it. I wish I could be there though...
by græy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

jfro18 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:45 pm
You can't prove he didn't and I can't explain the feelings I've had so why not?
1.21 gigawatts would certainly give you a burning in your bosom.
by græy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

Sorry for the excessive number of posts on this thread... I guess I'm still not sure why we limit the spectacles to only the first 116 pages, what records deal with that? I found this quote from Emma in 1870... Now the first that my <husband> translated, [the book] was translated by use of the Urim,...
by græy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

Ah, found Lucy's description. She did say they were made to fit "man of extraordinary size."

She also said the stones were "three-cornered diamonds set in glass". So, some kind of uber bifocal. :lol:
by græy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Re: Nephite Interpreters

All of the actual eyewitnesses of the translation process saw a rock in a hat, not a pair of spectacles. The reason the descriptions of the Nephite Interpreters are so varied is that people were describing what they assumed they looked like, what Joseph claimed they looked like, or what they saw vi...
by græy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 902

Nephite Interpreters

I just finished listening to the Gospel Topic Essay: 003: Book of Mormon Translation episode by Allan Mount, Bill Reel, and Anthony Miller. Great episode! In this episode they play a clip from John Dehlin's interview with Richard Bushman. Bushman says the documentary evidence suggests JS used the br...
by græy
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Primary kid interviews?
Replies: 24
Views: 670

Re: Primary kid interviews?

I don't want to make it sound as if I'm diminishing the very serious problem of physical abuse that could occur with this change but I think the potential for emotional abuse is very high. The obsession with worthiness is already a problem among adults. Exposing small children to the idea that god ...
by græy
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Primary kid interviews?
Replies: 24
Views: 670

Re: Primary kid interviews?

DW and I read the (KSL?) news article about this last night. She admitted to feeling troubled about the possibility of interviews with children that young. In her words, the church obviously can't determine which bishops are safe and which are not. This just gives those (admittedly few) a larger, ev...
by græy
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff
Replies: 47
Views: 2338

Re: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff

Yesterday our family read from Acts 3 where Peter and John heal the lame man. The NT says nothing but that it was done through the name of Jesus Christ. The Come Follow Me manual, of course, extrapolates that it was really done by the power of priesthood. As DW explained that part to the kids they w...