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by Hagoth
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Incontestable!
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Incontestable!

wtfluff wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:14 am
They know that rocks aren't magic.
Wait just a minute there, mister. Didn't you get the message iPhones are proof that the rock works?
by Hagoth
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett
Replies: 9
Views: 243

Re: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett

I have to give round 1 to Bennett. It's easy to armchair quarterback this stuff, and I know I wouldn't hold a candle to Bill Reel but there are so many bigger narrative problems than stuff like the stripling warriors. Also, the First Vision discussion seemed to go black and white when the best answe...
by Hagoth
Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: God in the Waves
Replies: 4
Views: 123

Re: God in the Waves

I like the idea of the universe having a loving and beneficent higher power. It feels comforting. When people are hurting, religious ideas can provide solace. When religious people act in concert they can be helpful to one another with altruistic actions. Such actions are praiseworthy and should be...
by Hagoth
Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett
Replies: 9
Views: 243

Re: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett

And the last thought is that so far Bennett is constantly going to the "I have heard no other explanation as to how the Book of Mormon came to be that is satisfactory to show how Joseph Smith could create a book that is over 250,000 words and has withstood the test of time." It's the insider perspe...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett
Replies: 9
Views: 243

Re: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett

I just hope he doesn't keep talking about The Godmakers for the entire zillion hours of this discussion. The insinuation seems to be that the CES letter and The Godmakers are in bed together, and then there's truth at the other end of the spectrum.
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I have an idea for NOM!
Replies: 25
Views: 599

Re: I have an idea for NOM!

Hermey has a weekly gathering at a REAL coffee shop, that y'all should check out.
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett
Replies: 9
Views: 243

Re: Bill Reel v. Apologist Jim Bennett

I'm listening to the first episode and so far I'm liking Bennett. His attitudes and responses are generally more reasonable, in my opinion, than most. I also like the way it feels like a rational conversation rather than a debate. Already there is a fascinating revelation about how a religious minds...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: God in the Waves
Replies: 4
Views: 123

God in the Waves

I'm reading Mike McHargue's book Finding God in the Waves . Here's a summary and a few observations: McHargue was a highly engaged Evangelical Southern Baptist who had the misfortune of loving science almost as much as he loved his church experience. The unexpected consequence was that he reached a ...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: BYU and Higher Education Rule Changes - Freedom to Discriminate?
Replies: 14
Views: 404

Re: BYU and Higher Education Rule Changes - Freedom to Discriminate?

P.S. To you COB lurkers who are thinking that the Church owns the school and BYU should be able to discriminate if it wants to, I’d point out that the reason universities care so much about accreditation is that accreditation is required to get federal financial aid dollars - dollars from taxes tha...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: FairMormon's "Most of"
Replies: 12
Views: 233

Re: FairMormon's "Most of"

If you listen to the first part of Bill Reel's discussions with Jim Bennett (who wrote a 370+ page response to the CES Letter), you'll hear Bennett say that the church has never been actively dishonest but just doesn't like talking about embarrassing areas. I guess dishonest, like translate, is a w...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: FairMormon's "Most of"
Replies: 12
Views: 233

Re: FairMormon's "Most of"

Corsair wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:26 am
I can only imagine the agony of trying to remove "Mormon" from their name.
The Apologists on Temple Square?
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast
Replies: 13
Views: 371

Re: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast

I finally listened to the last few minutes. I think this was the best of the three BoA episodes. Consiglieri did some excellent research for this. It helped me process some things about Muhlstein and Gee. I really have a hard time comprehending why two obviously very intelligent men would be intenti...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: FairMormon's "Most of"
Replies: 12
Views: 233

Re: FairMormon's "Most of"

Palerider wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:18 am
Just because they're watching it, doesn't mean they're believing it either.
Too bad there's no way to determine how many of those views are ex/postMos/NOMs/crtics, or just curious outsider eye-rollers.
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: FairMormon's "Most of"
Replies: 12
Views: 233

FairMormon's "Most of"

The latest FairMormon newsletter is all about the massive audience they reached in 2018. Their most watched video was Dan Petersen's dismissal of the CES letter (I haven't watched it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJgO42sdYK0&t=9s This video, which is a little over an hour long, racked up a whopp...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Incontestable!
Replies: 14
Views: 388

Re: Incontestable!

I'd like to see them show some actual empirical evidence for the Book of Mormon that is incontestable. Somehow a steel-producing culture of millions of people left no trace. Pretty freakin' contestable if you ask me. By the requirements thy give I think the Koran beats the BoM hands down. The incont...
by Hagoth
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast
Replies: 13
Views: 371

Re: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast

There is no need to use some other audio to cover it up. Consiglieri, I didn't mean to imply that you were hiding something. That's why I pointed out that it would be much easier to clip it out. I was just wondering if the Emergency Broadcast warning was supposed to alert me to something that went ...
by Hagoth
Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast
Replies: 13
Views: 371

Re: Book of Abraham, Part 3 Podcast

consiglieri wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:41 pm

I think it was meant to indicate we were going to be talking about something secretive and potentially explosive, such as Brian Hauglid's stance on the BOA or something.
Can we look forward to some revelation of what that might be?
by Hagoth
Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I love my wife
Replies: 8
Views: 186

Re: I love my wife

I think I love your wife too, HIPS!
by Hagoth
Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bishop Moss - Failed Wannabe Pimp
Replies: 8
Views: 315

Re: Bishop Moss - Failed Wannabe Pimp

I imagine he will be excommunicated because he probably doesn't have the magic shield (2nd anointing) to protect him. If there was anything less than bulletproof evidence against him the church would probably opt to defend him.
by Hagoth
Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church backs away from conversion therapy
Replies: 6
Views: 157

Re: Church backs away from conversion therapy

"We have repeatedly stated the church denounces any conversion or reparative therapy that subjects individuals to abusive practices, not only in Utah but around the world," Who exactly is the "we" referred to here? Dallin Oaks oversaw electroshock and vomit aversion therapy at BYU, but he also said...