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by Hagoth
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:57 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Where will you go?
Replies: 6
Views: 56

Re: Where will you go?

I would say I'm already there; on a journey of discovery instead of going around and around in the same circle. I would tell him that a wise man once said, "if you still believe the same things at fifty that you believed at twenty-five, you've wasted twenty-five years."
by Hagoth
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Sealing rules?
Replies: 9
Views: 104

Re: Sealing rules?

That means that polygamy is still a part of the doctrine despite the efforts to distance. Makes sense considering D&C 132 is still around. Which is why Nelson and Oaks have proudly called themselves polygamists across the pulpit. The conversation I was having came to an abrupt end when the ladies s...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pride works both ways.
Replies: 4
Views: 123

Re: Pride works both ways.

Yes. Many of us know someone who fancies themselves the "go to guy" in their ward for gospel/scripture/apologetics answers. It is a big part of their identity and they are very proud of the lofty position in which they imagine themselves. As a result, they are very derisive of alternative views, ang...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Can girls pass the sacrament?
Replies: 6
Views: 152

Re: Can girls pass the sacrament?

Hell, boys can't even pass the sacrament in my ward if they aren't wearing a white shirt. I wonder if the shirt is more of a barrier than the gender. Maybe girls in white shirts and ties will soon be able to pass the sacrament. But wait a minute, that smacks of blurring the black and white line betw...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The other side
Replies: 2
Views: 141

Re: The other side

The only note I ever wrote in the blank pages at the back of my scriptures was when Jeff Holland spoke at our stake conference: "The only way out is through - Jeffery R. Holland" He was 100% right. He just didn't understand what those words really mean. It takes a lot of courage to get all the way t...
by Hagoth
Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The verdict is in... the Book of Mormon is true!
Replies: 9
Views: 144

The verdict is in... the Book of Mormon is true!

At least according to Bing Chat AI! I asked it to consider the archaeological, zoological, botanical, linguistic, literary, and genetic evidence and tell me what is the likelihood that the Book of Mormon is a true story. It gave me a few paragraphs of general discussion and concluded with: "Thousand...
by Hagoth
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What would have happened if JS was successful in selling the BoM copyright?
Replies: 5
Views: 184

Re: What would have happened if JS was successful in selling the BoM copyright?

That whole episode is really important, I think, in understanding Joseph and the early church. I think Joseph expected the BoM to be a big seller and let him retire in his 20s. He even had a revelation that his only gift was to translate the BoM and then he would sit back and in cruise mode. What a ...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Nemo's letter
Replies: 11
Views: 347

Re: Nemo's letter

Ok. By raise of hands, how many folks here think that Nemo himself actually believes that letters to Ribeye Presidents would actually result in a "disciplinary council" for the top 3 stooges of LD$-Inc. ? Anyone? Anyone? Nah. It's just a funny/creative way to point out the blatant hypocricy of the ...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:34 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Creator vs Natural Selection
Replies: 15
Views: 375

Re: Creator vs Natural Selection

Question to Woman: if there were a fire and you could only save yourself, would you go back for your husband? Woman's answer, sheepishly given: No, I would save myself. Question to Man: If there were a fire and you could only save yourself, would you go back for your wife? Man's answer, soberly giv...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?
Replies: 13
Views: 268

Re: Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?

I can look at the 10 years that are available via my membership account and spot the exact moment I said, wow, this is all bullsh*t! On February 5, 2017 there is a payment of $0.00 with the status "Reversed," in red. It is the only transaction that is not marked "completed." This should have been wh...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Temple attendance, temple recommend, temple, temple temple!
Replies: 21
Views: 740

Re: Temple attendance, temple recommend, temple, temple temple!

Ghost wrote:
Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:52 pm
I periodically have family members suggest that I "work on" going to the temple again.
Maybe you could suggest that the church needs to "work on" not being such exclusionist, elitist buttheads who think "worthiness" can be bought?
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church secret dealings?
Replies: 8
Views: 255

Re: Church secret dealings?

Perhaps 1923 was a year for multiple secret meetings. It's all secrets inside of secrets, guys. But the hints are there. If you add up the digits 1+9+2+3 you get 15. That's the total number of secret meetings. Divide that by the number of people in the First Presidency, as symbolic of the godhead, ...
by Hagoth
Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?
Replies: 13
Views: 268

Re: Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?

I guess another way to ask the question is do I have the legal right to request an accounting of all the tithing I have paid in my lifetime, and how would I go about it? I'm sure they have a record of it. Not that I would necessarily go to the effort if it turned out to be a complex bureaucratic kic...
by Hagoth
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:29 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Creator vs Natural Selection
Replies: 15
Views: 375

Re: Creator vs Natural Selection

Whether or not any or all of those gods exist, the human brain has evolved to expect explanations for things that do not have obvious causes. How do we do that? By assuming a conscious force that would see and interact with the universe in pretty much the way we would if we had unlimited power. Imag...
by Hagoth
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:12 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Creator vs Natural Selection
Replies: 15
Views: 375

Re: Creator vs Natural Selection

dogbite wrote:
Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:01 am
Give this a read.

Body Ritual Among the Nacirema

https://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler ... cirema.PDF
Hilarious!
by Hagoth
Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church's rainy day safety net
Replies: 8
Views: 356

Re: Church's rainy day safety net

The Brethren got caught up with serving Mammon. I suppose it is possible they might announce a way to serve God with that money in the April General Conference, but there is no way we will hear an apology. We will have to wait and see. Mammon might still hold sway with these fifteen leaders. They c...
by Hagoth
Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?
Replies: 13
Views: 268

Is it possible to get your donation history from the church?

I heard a rumor that the church is deleting all member donation records. Probably just a rumor, but it would certainly make sense why they would want to do so with grumblings of class action suits floating around. These days it doesn't matter whether it's legal. They just pay the fine and gaslight t...
by Hagoth
Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ministering Interviews
Replies: 6
Views: 218

Re: Ministering Interviews

The really fun part is that the 60% number from the ward down the road is probably a little fudged too. You feel the pressure not to be the odd guy out so you add another layer of fudge on top of the layer of fudge that's already there and then the next EQP in line competes against that. I'm sure t...
by Hagoth
Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine
Replies: 63
Views: 1834

Re: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine

The latest Mormonism Live podcast does a great job of reading through the most salient sections of the SEC report and comparing/contrasting them with the church handbook and GA statements about honesty and integrity. https://mormonismlive.org/2023/03/mormonism-live-117-changes-to-the-temple-the-ethi...
by Hagoth
Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:44 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Nemo's letter
Replies: 11
Views: 347

Re: Nemo's letter

moksha wrote:
Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:42 pm
2. How likely is it that the board of directors will demand an immediate super secret ex-communication of Brother Nemo before its April Conference?
Once again shooting themselves in the foot by showing their true colors. I hope they do. The one thing they have no tolerance for is truth-speakers.