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by Hagoth
Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Priesthood DoorDash
Replies: 1
Views: 32

Priesthood DoorDash

A couple of priests showed up at our door today to bring my wife the sacrament. I was not home and I was not happy that the ward took it upon themselves to decide that she, without any sort of request or invitation, needed a worthy priesthood holder (pimply teenager) to compensate for my dereliction...
by Hagoth
Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A New Theistic Argument
Replies: 5
Views: 115

Re: A New Theistic Argument

So, when we project onto God our own helplessness at stopping all that evil that atheists project onto God and say that therefore God does not exist…..maybe we are missing the point. Maybe God wants *us* to stop all that suffering, not just throw our hands up in the air and yell at God for not doin...
by Hagoth
Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A New Theistic Argument
Replies: 5
Views: 115

Re: A New Theistic Argument

Reminds me of a song: What if god was one of us, just a slob like one of us, just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home? If God is the unwanted child who was dropped on his head at birth and can't get anything right, then we, and all his other creations, must be reflections of his cognit...
by Hagoth
Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The new throat-slitting
Replies: 8
Views: 408

Re: The new throat-slitting

Here's another way to look at the covenants. We have established that they are made to earthly authorities, not to supernatural entities. In order to enter the temple you had to declare that you are honest in your dealings with your fellowmen. So did our exalted leaders. But they are monumental exam...
by Hagoth
Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The new throat-slitting
Replies: 8
Views: 408

Re: The new throat-slitting

Covenants in the church are of the "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" variety. In this life the covenant is one-sided. 100% of the action of the covenant is performed by us in this life. God isn't on the hook until a theoretical next life. We're expected to give hamburger after ham...
by Hagoth
Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Best part of conference?
Replies: 10
Views: 402

Re: Best part of conference?

I was a little surprised to hear Nelson state that baptism will get you into the Celestial Kingdom but only temple covenants and marriage would get you "Exaltation" within the Celestial Kingdom. I've never read that baptism alone, would get you into the CK. I think this is the standard teaching. Ba...
by Hagoth
Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:09 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: From 15th to 23rd
Replies: 8
Views: 369

Re: From 15th to 23rd

Hmm. The US also ranks dead last among developed countries in quality, accessibility, and affordability of healthcare. Also dead last on wealth equity, and it's rapidly getting worse. All of those happier countries also provide healthcare to all citizens in a way that American Conservatives deride a...
by Hagoth
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The new throat-slitting
Replies: 8
Views: 408

The new throat-slitting

When they took the penalties out of the endowment ceremony they also removed the most graphic reminder that if you stray from the program you are putting yourself in very real danger. It seems to me that that void has been filled by the growing popularity of "the covenant path." When they talk about...
by Hagoth
Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Would you do it all over?
Replies: 9
Views: 281

Re: Would you do it all over?

Just This Guy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:27 am
So part of my social awkwardness is due to the church.
Surely the second head and third arm had something to do with it!
by Hagoth
Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Would you do it all over?
Replies: 9
Views: 281

Re: Would you do it all over?

The visit was different than those in the past, and it would be our final one. You see, she had taken herself off of dialysis earlier that week and her body was shutting down. Eighteen years on it was enough. So to me, her answers were fascinating as she stared at her own mortality and accepted wha...
by Hagoth
Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism
Replies: 4
Views: 139

Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism

Here's a fun excerpt from a BBC documentary called Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism, in which as group of Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims are bussed around the US to look for evidence for and against evolution. This awesome clip is when they sit down with paleoanthropologist Tim White at Berk...
by Hagoth
Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temples, temples everywhere...
Replies: 0
Views: 166

Temples, temples everywhere...

TLDR: My question is, what will the next guy do? So, 15 new temples announced today and the announcements just keep coming. People on the temple committee have admitted that Nelson is blindsiding them with temple announcements in places where no investigation has even begun. TBMs are oh so impressed...
by Hagoth
Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What is the purpose of religion?
Replies: 3
Views: 96

Re: What is the purpose of religion?

People had dreams that made them feel like they had been transported to another world. They often saw their dead loved ones there. They ate plants that made them see fantastic otherworldly vistas and entities. Religion helped flesh out the idea that there really is and invisible world, and helped to...
by Hagoth
Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange Results from Heaven War
Replies: 5
Views: 193

Re: Strange Results from Heaven War

2bizE wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:21 pm
I used to be fed tripe in menudo and it often tasted and smelled like you might think.
Once when tracting on my mission we went into a home that smelled like an open sewer. I asked, "is everything ok? Do you have a broken pipe?" They answered, "No. we're cooking menudo!"
by Hagoth
Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!
Replies: 35
Views: 724

Re: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!

I looked into my seer stone last night and am making the following prediction: They will double down on garment wearing this weekend at general conference and they will have a woman do it because they want a woman (who is willing to say what the men wan them to say) to try and get the women of the ...
by Hagoth
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:59 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: NOMference Spring 2024 Sat afternoon!!!
Replies: 54
Views: 479

Re: NOMference Spring 2024 Sat afternoon!!!

Just dropped in to see what's up in NOM. I had totally forgotten conference was happening today. One big point for me! I will go away for a while now, thank you very much.
by Hagoth
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!
Replies: 35
Views: 724

Re: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!

Questions to ask: -Where in scripture does it tell you how to wear your underwear? Where are garments even mentioned? -Did Joseph Smith receive a direct revelation that tells us how to wear garments? -Has any prophet declared that the voice of God told him that garments must be worn 24/7? -Has the ...
by Hagoth
Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!
Replies: 35
Views: 724

Re: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!

I can specifically recall following the guidance of the church and asking Godde for direction and personal revelation when I was questioning wearing the garment as instructed. As I prayed, I received a prompting to turn on the TV. No sooner had I done that, the answer to my prayers came in the form...
by Hagoth
Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!
Replies: 35
Views: 724

Re: The Mormon church is looking to crack down on... garments?!

Questions to ask: -Where in scripture does it tell you how to wear your underwear? Where are garments even mentioned? -Did Joseph Smith receive a direct revelation that tells us how to wear garments? -Has any prophet declared that the voice of God told him that garments must be worn 24/7? -Has the c...
by Hagoth
Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:55 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Would you do it all over?
Replies: 9
Views: 281

Re: Would you do it all over?

Had I known what I knew now I would have dropped out of Primary. BUT since I didn't have the benefits of time travel or perfect foresight, I would not change my life. Much of it has been very bumpy, but it is the journey that has made me who I am. My experiences in Mormonism and working my way out o...