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by alas
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Ordinary Mormon Trauma
Replies: 6
Views: 202

Re: Ordinary Mormon Trauma

. Yes - Service is token service, for things that are "socially acceptable". Having a relative who is mentally handicapped, autistic, or otherwise disabled? NOT socially acceptable, so no service (or party invites, or church activities) for you or your family. Going through a divorce because your "...
by alas
Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Unexpected Mormon trauma
Replies: 10
Views: 217

Re: Unexpected Mormon trauma

The way the church pushes “goal setting” by demanding totally unrealistic goals, them shaming and berating anyone not reaching those impossible goals is abuse. So, treat yourself like someone who lived in an abusive situation, because you are. You are being triggered. When you cannot avoid the trigg...
by alas
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nauvoo Expositor
Replies: 11
Views: 334

Re: Nauvoo Expositor

Still I don’t get how a former Judge like Dallin H. Oaks can talk about the US Constitution and religious freedom while testifying of Joseph the Prophet with a straight face!!! I believe Oaks will say that the 1st amendment rights were not considered to apply to local and state decisions until afte...
by alas
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Spiritual* Violence
Replies: 5
Views: 333

Re: Spiritual* Violence

*spiritual in this book is not really religion-based, but more about the yearnings of the self or soul. Does the book have an actual definition of *spiritual? Hey Fluff, I've been thinking about this question once a day since you posted it, but I haven't yet got a good answer. I'm listening to the ...
by alas
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ordinary Mormon Trauma
Replies: 6
Views: 202

Re: Ordinary Mormon Trauma

Wow is right. Reading through that list of “service oriented but not care oriented” and a couple of the others and I am having flashbacks to “why my family of origin is out of the church.” The church is perfectly happy to bring in a meal or two when someone just had a baby, but when more than a coup...
by alas
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:42 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Problems interacting with normal people as a family...
Replies: 6
Views: 251

Re: Problems interacting with normal people as a family...

My husband and I spent 20 years with him active duty military, so we had lots of socializing with norm....well, I won’t call military people normal because the marines are their own kind of weird and none of the military cultures are “normal, but they are for sure drinking cultures. So we had lots o...
by alas
Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Pray for Rain in Utah
Replies: 13
Views: 504

Re: Pray for Rain in Utah

I guess prayer doesn't hurt in the short term, but like 2Bize said we probably need a long term solution. Besides isn't this like Pres. Nelson's idea to fast and pray the virus away? Maybe tap into more well water? We are snow birds and both places we live are really growing. New houses pop up like...
by alas
Fri May 28, 2021 12:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Angeles and Plates
Replies: 14
Views: 559

Re: Angeles and Plates

I heard someplace if you can make Angles and Gold Plates work everything else comes naturally. Makes sense that belief in one supernatural event opens your your brain to all sorts of other zany ideas. Its like being a conspiracy theorist, you see them everywhere. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ...
by alas
Fri May 28, 2021 12:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Spiritual* Violence
Replies: 5
Views: 333

Re: Spiritual* Violence

Where is the line between important things you need to reinforce with your kids and spiritual violence? Is punishing my kids for hurting others spiritual violence? TBMs really think staying mormon is the most important thing in the universe, so in their worldview it is spiritual violence to NOT do ...
by alas
Fri May 28, 2021 11:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: No more “time only” temple weddings
Replies: 11
Views: 468

Re: No more “time only” temple weddings

I think RMN just likes tweaking things. I bet he sat as an apostle all those years thinking I could do a better job. In reality with all his little tweaks nothing has changed. Power is still at the top. Women are out in the cold. Guilt and shame are the tools of choice. Sent from my iPhone using Ta...
by alas
Thu May 27, 2021 7:09 am
Forum: Support
Topic: No more “time only” temple weddings
Replies: 11
Views: 468

Re: No more “time only” temple weddings

This has actually been the policy in many of the Mormon Corridor temples. I think it was about 15 years ago when it was announced that for our temple district (Bountiful, Ut) there would be no time only weddings. I didn’t even know that it was still possible to have a time only wedding in any of the...
by alas
Tue May 25, 2021 6:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone else feel trapped?
Replies: 18
Views: 688

Re: Anyone else feel trapped?

First, mormonism is damaging to many, and if you are on the other side of belief then you probably feel like it hurt you in some way(sssss). So being exposed to mormonism is going to be more difficult than being exposed to something that is less personal to you. Hopefully healing can lessen that di...
by alas
Tue May 25, 2021 8:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

Absolutely. This is serious research. There has been criticism over their methodology (for instance, how to best study the veracity of a medium) and their subject matter, but not about the lack of peer review. I was turned off by his using his own language for things like mediums. He invented a wor...
by alas
Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone else feel trapped?
Replies: 18
Views: 688

Re: Anyone else feel trapped?

Not only are we trapped in Mormonism because of our spouse, we have bits and pieces inside of us that are next to impossible to get out. For example, the other day, I opened a new bottle of wine for cooking. I am still learning what kinds go good with what food, and how to get the flavor just right,...
by alas
Sun May 23, 2021 6:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838
Replies: 6
Views: 429

Re: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838

Hello cousin! My direct ancestor is BF's brother Joseph Ellis. The Johnson's were pretty illustrious in the early church, with Joel Hills writing High On a Mountaintop; BF being a Danite, Almera a plural wife of Joseph Smith, Joseph Ellis a prominent member of the Orson Hyde company. I believe Geor...
by alas
Sun May 23, 2021 6:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838
Replies: 6
Views: 429

Re: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838

The quote is from an ancestor of mine. Thanks for sharing. If B.F. Johnson is an ancestor of yours, we are related. My ancestor was his younger brother, George. Hello cousin! My direct ancestor is BF's brother Joseph Ellis. The Johnson's were pretty illustrious in the early church, with Joel Hills ...
by alas
Sat May 22, 2021 7:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838
Replies: 6
Views: 429

Re: Missouri Trial of Joseph Smith and others, Nov. 12, 1838

Here is a site that has the records of Joseph Smith's trial in Missouri Nov. 12, 1838. Included is testimony by W.W.Phelps, Thomas Marsh, Sampson Avard, John Corrill, and others concerning the Mormon War of 1838. The testimony includes pretty reliable confirmation that the Mormons burned homes and ...
by alas
Fri May 21, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Solution to "labor shortage"
Replies: 5
Views: 386

Re: Solution to "labor shortage"

Yup.
by alas
Fri May 21, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

I agree with this dogbite! I agree with dogbite also as far as establishing external reality. But an NDE is a claim on external reality. I concur that a person can achieve personal insight about themselves within their own head of thoughts. To the person who has it, it may be. To some others, it ma...
by alas
Wed May 19, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What are the problems with the word Mormon
Replies: 7
Views: 390

Re: What are the problems with the word Mormon

Mormons do not have a good reputation. I have had some interesting experiences of people being honest with me about Mormons because they assumed I was not Mormon. One was when I did my internship in social work at Catholic Family Services. My coworkers were a priest and two nuns as well as the Hispa...