Q12 leading the church

[2bizE]

Since Nelson died, the Q12 has taken over the church. What is the doctrine around this. I do know the D&C 107 says that the FP, Q12, and Q70 are all equal in authority.

Why doesn’t the Q70 have a place at the table in this transition?

[Cnsl1]

Interesting.

Those three bodies (FP, Q12, Q70) should each get one vote.

[alas]

Interesting.

Those three bodies (FP, Q12, Q70) should each get one vote.

No, the RS presidency and primary and YW presidency all need one vote also. That way, women have equal say to all the men in the church. And if there are any disagreements, then that group’s vote is just canceled. Because I am sure that some one among the 70 or women’s organization would have nixed the POX before it ever could become policy.

[Angel]

The Lord will never leave the Church without guidance!!!

Oh wait... in the moments between death and new prophet - I suppose the entire earth falls under darkness with no guidance and no leadership.... scary

[Red Ryder]

After a bit of research it appears it’s fairly common amongst Mormon practice.

Key Historical Interregnums Before 2025

Here are some past interregnums (examples) where the Church went through that process:

Joseph Smith ~ June 27, 1844 ~3 years, 6 months
Long delay before Brigham Young became President and First Presidency was reorganized.

Brigham Young - August 29, 1877 ~1.5 months
After his death, John Taylor eventually reorganized things.

John Taylor - October 10, 1880 ~1 year, 8 months
Lots of deliberation and some dispute before Wilford Woodruff assumed the role.

Wilford Woodruff - September 2, 1898 ~11 days Very short interregnum before Lorenzo Snow was set apart.

Lorenzo Snow - April 10, 1901 ~7 days
Quickly succeeded by Joseph F. Smith.

Joseph F. Smith - October 10, 1918 ~4 days
Reorganization quickly followed.

Heber J. Grant - May 14, 1945 ~7 days
Succession moved swiftly; George Albert Smith became president.

George Albert Smith - April 4, 1951 ~5 days
David O. McKay followed.

Thomas S. Monson - January 2, 2018 - 10-12 days
President Nelson (Russell M. Nelson) succeeded Monson

[deacon blues]

Here's my 2 cents: Pres. Oaks suspects he may die soon, like within a year. If he makes himself president with new councilors and dies within a year it implies that God had to take him out, for whatever reason. Also Holland and Eyring are in the same boat. What would inquiring minds think if 2-4 presidents/prophets died in a single year? Maybe it's just my weird imagination.

[nibbler]

What would inquiring minds think if 2-4 presidents/prophets died in a single year?

I think normal people would say that the model that transitions the role of church dictator to the next oldest guy in the org probably isn't the best model to use. I know it's longest tenured and that doesn't necessarily equate to next oldest, I'm just simplifying. Plus that's kind of how it's worked out in practice.

Mormon folk doctrine doesn't follow the thoughts of normal people though. Mormon folk doctrine would say that even though god thought those people were good enough to be apostles for 30-40 years, god didn't think they were good enough to be the prophet so god stacked the deck to ensure their tenure was short or even nonexistent.

God killed them, it's the only rational explanation. Much more rational than realizing that calling a 93 year old to a position probably means you're going to need to fill that position again sooner rather than later. No worries though, we've got someone else in their 90s waiting in the wings.

[deacon blues]

Interesting.

Those three bodies (FP, Q12, Q70) should each get one vote.

No, the RS presidency and primary and YW presidency all need one vote also. That way, women have equal say to all the men in the church. And if there are any disagreements, then that group’s vote is just canceled. Because I am sure that some one among the 70 or women’s organization would have nixed the POX before it ever could become policy.

So true! At the very least the Relief Society Presidency should be equal to the quorums in authority. This seems obvious to me.

[dogbite]

Ignore the doctrine. Doctrine is a smokescreen for facts.

The only thing that matters is the articles of incorporation of the corporation sole.

These should be public documents. Steve Benson was good about posting them on exmormon.org.

From memory, at the moment of death the corporation sole transfers to the senior apostle. That's the end of it.

or change the articles.

[dogbite]

Remember, Hunter only served about 8 months I think it was.

[moksha]

Think of the Brethren as the Corporate Board of Directors and the other Quorums as the support staff.

[nibbler]

President: Dallas H. Oaks
1st Counselor: Henry B. Eyring
2nd Counselor: D. Todd Christofferson

[wtfluff]

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President: Dallas H. Oaks
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DALLAS!