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Rob4Hope
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by Rob4Hope » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am
moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
What is the power of this organization!...WOW!
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LSOF
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by LSOF » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:15 pm
Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am
moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises
that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
What is the power of this organization!...WOW!
The part I bolded is the allure of it, or it was for me at least. We had the true gospel, thought I, unsullied by sectarianism. I didn't much care for the Jesus hymns in the hymnbook like "Jesus, Saviour, Pilot Me"; I preferred the Mormon hymns like "Come, Come, Ye Saints".
"I appreciate your flesh needs to martyr me." Parture
"There is no contradiction between faith and science --- true science." Dr Zaius
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Palerider
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by Palerider » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:50 pm
Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am
moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
What is the power of this organization!...WOW!
The promise of Eternal Life, worlds without end, with your family intact. That's the biggest hook you can imagine......especially for women, but men as well I think. The idea of losing your husband/wife and children to Hell or some lesser kingdom and never seeing them again ( or possibly just on special visits) is a pretty horrific fear motivator. And the
ONLY way to achieve that Eternal Life is through the authorized ordinances of the one and only, verifiably, undeniably, absolutely true and faultless Church of Joseph Smith. As Eve said in the Garden, "Is there no other way?.....and Satan replied, "There is no other way....."
"There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
George Washington
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Random
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by Random » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:49 pm
Korihor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:48 am
2bizE wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:05 am
Is there a way to listen to the broadcast?
Looks like Mr Dehlin already posted it on Mormon Stories podcast this morning.
Like
Thanks to both of you. I don't have fb anymore, so this is good to know.
There are 2 Gods. One who created us. The other you created. The God you made up is just like you-thrives on flattery-makes you live in fear.
Believe in the God who created us. And the God you created should be abolished.
PK
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Meilingkie
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by Meilingkie » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:45 pm
Uchtdorf is visiting, unexpectedly....
Wait and see
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moksha
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by moksha » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:36 am
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:45 pm
Uchtdorf is visiting, unexpectedly....
Wait and see
Will he attempt to plug the dike with a Dutch rescue? Maybe he was so impressed with you on the podcast that he had to meet you in person.
In the words of the legendary Paul McCartney:
Zuiderzee, Zuiderzee life goes on bro
La-la how the life goes on...Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
-- Moksha
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redjay
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by redjay » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:00 pm
Yes the larger number is for the whole of Sweden.
http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target ... ind=Search
it would seem that over the last 20 years there has been no real growth. Certainly not a second harvest. I remember years ago the second harvest was excitedly spoken about, and then...nothing.
Anyone else here from Europe and remember it being spoken about?
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redjay
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by redjay » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:09 pm
Yes, I happened upon a link on FB to Han's story in the NY Times, as a TBM, I read it - then listened to my first mormon story podcast where the sincerity of Hans ripped the fabric of my world apart.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/so ... doubt.htmlAt the halfway home. I'm a full-grown man. But I'm not afraid to cry.
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LostMormon
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by LostMormon » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:14 pm
Meilingkie
Of the 9000 members in holland, how many of those would you say are active members? and how busy is the temple there?
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2bizE
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by 2bizE » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 pm
In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information. Sounds a bit dishonest. I wonder what was in the briefcase? CES letter maybe?
~2bizE
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Random
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by Random » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:34 pm
2bizE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 pm
In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information.
(major headbang)
There are 2 Gods. One who created us. The other you created. The God you made up is just like you-thrives on flattery-makes you live in fear.
Believe in the God who created us. And the God you created should be abolished.
PK
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Meilingkie
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by Meilingkie » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:31 pm
LostMormon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:14 pm
Meilingkie
Of the 9000 members in holland, how many of those would you say are active members? and how busy is the temple there?
Active, acc to stats I got abt 1800 tops.
Temple regularly skips sessions because of lack of pruesthoodholders. Is open3 days/week
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FiveFingerMnemonic
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by FiveFingerMnemonic » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:16 pm
Any updates on unit closures? What parts of Europe are most affected, are places like Spain seeing consolidation of units?
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Hagoth
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by Hagoth » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am
Was there ever a review of the Uchtdorf visit?
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no1saint
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by no1saint » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:21 am
Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am
Was there ever a review of the Uchtdorf visit?
Good question.
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oliblish
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by oliblish » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:11 am
http://ldsunitgrowth.blogspot.com/2017/
According to the website above, so far in 2017 (as of July 17th) these countries have lost this number of units:
Netherlands: -7
Belgium: -6
England: -3
Ireland: -1
Germany: -2
Spain: -2
Portugal: -3
So that is 24 units closed that I have found. Some countries I checked had no changes.
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