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wtfluff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:24 pm
I don't think anyone can deny that living expenses increase over time, I'm not so sure we need to read anything sinister into this.
My TBM mother in law quickly pointed out that the $400 cost has been that way for 20-something years... so of course they needed to raise up.
My counter to that is the church didn't have $40 billion in the stock market and a real estate empire that could be in the hundreds of billions 20+ years ago.
The church has more money than they'll ever know what to do with it, but it's never enough. Add to that the number of early return missionaries and families that struggle to pay for missions, and I can't see this doing anything to turn the tide of lower missionary numbers and higher numbers of early returners.
Do costs associated with living expenses go up with time? Yes, consistently, from that lens the increase makes sense. EXCEPT - you are talking about an organization with TENS OF BILLIONS on hand for whatever real estate investment grabs their fancy. They’ve got this workforce of tens of thousands who recruit for them and pay them for the privilege of doing it. I find it incredibly cheap and thoughtless to raise the amount their recruiters must pay each month when they have LITERALLY BILLIONS sitting around to offset cost of living increases for their recruiters (well, recruiters and senior missionaries doing jobs someone really should be getting paid for).
It says a lot about how the Church views its members when they could use their money to make missions less expensive and choose not to. Real estate investments and malls are more important to Church Leadership than easing the financial burden on members. Sorry, the Brethren are real jerks on this one.
"The truth is elegantly simple. The lie needs complex apologia. 4 simple words: Joe made it up. It answers everything with the perfect simplicity of Occam's Razor. Every convoluted excuse withers." - Some guy on Reddit called disposazelph
The more I think about how many toilets I scrubbed and cleaning I did in those buildings over the years, including crawling through attics to run network cables and try to fix wonky AV systems...I better go and watch some funny cat videos for a while. At least my Dad paid for my mission so I could pay for college, but I'm sure he'd like that money back in his retirement as well.
Now when I see TBMs putting their heart and soul into local service at those chapels I just feel so sad for them and even more angry at the dishonest corporation that bilks them out of their time, talents and money.
Good example of how the church became so wealthy. You get a large chunk of your labor for free and then you make the laborer pay for the privilege of working for you.
It doesn’t take a financial genius to make that business model work.
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“Five percent of the people think; ten percent of the people think they think; and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think.”
― Thomas A. Edison
I mentioned this to wife a few days ago as simply a neutral news item. She still returned with the familiar look that she was deeply suspicious of my apostate motives in mentioning this. Luckily, I am unlikely to ever have any of my children go on a mission, much to my dear, faithful wife's disappointment.
Not Buying It wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:23 am
Do costs associated with living expenses go up with time? Yes, consistently, from that lens the increase makes sense. EXCEPT - you are talking about an organization with TENS OF BILLIONS on hand for whatever real estate investment grabs their fancy. They’ve got this workforce of tens of thousands who recruit for them and pay them for the privilege of doing it. I find it incredibly cheap and thoughtless to raise the amount their recruiters must pay each month when they have LITERALLY BILLIONS sitting around to offset cost of living increases for their recruiters (well, recruiters and senior missionaries doing jobs someone really should be getting paid for).
It says a lot about how the Church views its members when they could use their money to make missions less expensive and choose not to. Real estate investments and malls are more important to Church Leadership than easing the financial burden on members. Sorry, the Brethren are real jerks on this one.
Well put.
How dare they use Christ’s name to steal from members and the poor!
Financial corruption in the church is an undeniable fact.